Viv Richards vs steve smith

[ankitj]

One weakness in Root's resume is his record in Australia. When you limit to wins, what does his record in Australia look like? Do you know?

 

[Johan]

One weakness in Root's resume is his record in Australia. When you limit to wins, what does his record in Australia look like? Do you know?

non existent

 

[ankitj]

non existent

So now you see?

 

[Briony]

Viv was more destructive and he didn't have the big bats and shorter boundaries plus he played most of his peak cricket before helmets were widely used. Funny this resurfaces when Smith is bashing a minnow attack. What would Viv have done to these rubbish bowlers.?

 

[Coronis]

I didn't say 'with style'

And I never brought performance in wins.

Ah I forgot how matchwinning doesn’t have anything to do with performance in wins.

 

[subshakerz]

Ah I forgot how matchwinning doesn’t have anything to do with performance in wins.

My friend, I don't believe 'matchwinning' should generally be used in reference to a bat. I have explained.

 

[subshakerz]

Damn you Smith, why won't you decline?!

 

[Kirkut]

Viv was more destructive and he didn't have the big bats and shorter boundaries plus he played most of his peak cricket before helmets were widely used. Funny this resurfaces when Smith is bashing a minnow attack. What would Viv have done to these rubbish bowlers.?

The delusion here is strong.

 

[subshakerz]

The delusion here is strong.

Bigger bats, helmets and shorter boundaries are an actual thing and not some fantasy.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Bigger bats, helmets and shorter boundaries are an actual thing and not some fantasy.

Hence Marshall and Imran can't even be compared with Bumrah and Cummins. I mean, they couldn't deal with those players without helmets, good bats and longer boundaries better, then they would stand no chance now.

 

[Kirkut]

Bigger bats, helmets and shorter boundaries are an actual thing and not some fantasy.

Bigger bats, helmets and short boundaries are meaningless if you face prime Ashwin and Jadeja on rank turners.

 

[Johan]

Smith doesn't have enough of a stats advantage removing the hopeless Windies attack to win this, I'm sorry.

 

[DrWolverine]

 

[subshakerz]

Hence Marshall and Imran can't even be compared with Bumrah and Cummins. I mean, they couldn't deal with those players without helmets, good bats and longer boundaries better, then they would stand no chance now.

My point is that we can recognize advantages and disadvantages of certain modern eras while still arguing for parity for the sake of comparison.

What's your point?

 

[subshakerz]

Smith doesn't have enough of a stats advantage removing the hopeless Windies attack to win this, I'm sorry.

Yeah he has too much lost ground to make up.

 

[Prince EWS]

Damn you Smith, why won't you decline?!

This thread is about his peak anyway. People can go talk about his late career, his record against ****ing Bumrah and Joe Root's career elsewhere.

 

[subshakerz]

Bigger bats, helmets and short boundaries are meaningless if you face prime Ashwin and Jadeja on rank turners.

Which accounts for how much cricket in a non-Indian cricketers career?

 

[capt_Luffy]

My point is that we can recognize advantages and disadvantages of certain modern eras while still arguing for parity for the sake of comparison.

What's your point?

That helmets and bats and whatnot is reasonable to think would improve them. But while comparing across Eras, we literally see no improvement in standard of batting with their implementation into the game. So basically, this whole argument with the finishing words "Viv would eat this SL attack for lunch" (do think this innings is getting overrated by some), reeks off toxic nostalgia and is pretty pointless really.

 

[subshakerz]

This thread is about his peak anyway. People can go talk about his late career, his record against ****ing Bumrah and Joe Root's career elsewhere.

Viv averaged 70 plus on tougher wickets and against Thommo, Lillee, Imran, peak Botham and the Indian spin quartet with a crazy SR for his era.

Smith averaged 70 plus while averaging nearly 100 at home thanks to pancake wickets and attacks. Yes and also a couple of ATG series in India and Eng to be fair.

This isn't close at all. Viv with the greatest peak ever.

 

[subshakerz]

That helmets and bats and whatnot is reasonable to think would improve them. But while comparing across Eras, we literally see no improvement in standard of batting with their implementation into the game. So basically, this whole argument with the finishing words "Viv would eat this SL attack for lunch" (do think this innings is getting overrated by some), reeks off toxic nostalgia and is pretty pointless really.

'Toxic nostalgia' lol get off your soapbox

But in a roundabout way we agree. I am suggesting parity and not giving bonus point for extraneous things that we don't know how others would adjust to.