Shivnarine Chanderpaul vs Martin Crowe

[Coronis]

Clarke's RPI away from home is 35.6 while for Chanders minus Ban it's 37.3, needless to say, I'm not impressed. Clarke was far superior at playing with tail, had a far wider range of gears and was also good at taking the matches away from sides unlike Chanders

iirc that’s called far superior at getting out before your tailenders and thus not maximizing the runs your team could have made.

Chanderpaul one of the most underrated batters of the last 20-30 years imo (despite generally being rated pretty highly by most people).

are you ****ing kidding me? Chanders is worse than Hussey

ngl, even Pujara is better than Chanderpaul, I don't think he can be a lot better than Hussey

Great job proving sledger’s point.

 

[Johan]

iirc that’s called far superior at getting out before your tailenders and thus not maximizing the runs your team could have made.

Getting out trying to maximize the amount of runs your team makes is a lot more respectable than getting the red ink after convineantly failing to rotate strikes, the prior could actually win your games, the latter would give you pretty averages.

Great job proving sledger’s point.

If one person's opinion makes someone underrated then sure ig, I'm not gonna change my opinion for it.

 

[BazBall21]

Clarke away from home is a weird one. Underwhelming overall overseas average for the era he played in but he was solid in most places.

 

[Athlai]

Rubbish, it would always be purely situational. West Indies being well behind (which they typically were) would always mean that the only real impact that could occur is if the tail managed to stick around and form a partnership with him.

 

[Johan]

Rubbish, it would always be purely situational. West Indies being well behind (which they typically were) would always mean that the only real impact that could occur is if the tail managed to stick around and form a partnership with him.

Ah, I get it, I'm being too harsh to poor Shiv by expecting a bitch who hides at 5 and 6 to actually know how to play with the tail? I get it, maybe I should judge him based on his performance in top 4.

 

[Coronis]

Ah, I get it, I'm being too harsh to poor Shiv by expecting a bitch who hides at 5 and 6 to actually know how to play with the tail? I get it, maybe I should judge him based on his performance in top 4.

What did he do to you? Just curious

 

[Johan]

What did he do to you? Just curious

I don't get why people glaze him, but other than that, ever since I started being nice to Kohli I needed to find someone else to hate

 

[Athlai]

Over his career - West Indian batsman in positions 8-11 had significantly the worst average of all nations.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

South Africa	59	1994-2015	206	1017	261	14612	122*	19.32
New Zealand	73	1994-2015	176	1044	273	14442	140	18.73
Australia	72	1994-2015	236	1234	304	15605	123*	16.77
India	71	1994-2015	199	1090	263	13091	144	15.82
Sri Lanka	65	1994-2015	182	980	241	11111	103*	15.03
Zimbabwe	58	1994-2014	90	600	137	6951	127*	15.01
England	89	1994-2015	260	1460	357	16299	169	14.77
Pakistan	67	1994-2015	177	1019	244	11002	257*	14.19
Bangladesh	49	2000-2015	90	659	150	7084	115	13.91
West Indies	75	1994-2015	205	1265	261	12031	106	11.98

If we are extra charitable and say Chanderpaul stole 19 not outs from them by not 'selflessly' throwing his wicket away (because apparently thats the only way to bat). Then we would have them average... 12.21

Still comfortably the worst. Chanderpaul was the shepherd of spuds, played for a rubbish team and scored as many runs as he could. He was an accumulator and a partnership builder. He was crap at the top of the order against a new ball and was an extremely prolific middle order nurdler.

 

[BazBall21]

Hence I think Gooch was better

 

[Athlai]

Hence I think Gooch was better

Yeah it's a fair call. They're very different bats that would fit entirely different roles.

 

[Johan]

Chanderpaul vs Desmond Haynes might be close

Gayle would be a good comparison.

 

[sayon basak]

Comeon man, Chanders wasn't that Bad....

You serious??

 

[sayon basak]

Crowe was ranked 43rd, Hayden 45th (contemporaries G Smith and Sehwag 30th and 39th respectively), Chanderpaul 49th, Gooch 51st, and Clarke 52nd. Hussey did not make the top 60 which was finished with Gower. Unsurprisingly Bradman was no 1.

Now I get it, @capt_Luffy just copied this.

 

[Johan]

Hmmm why do people think there's a big gap between Gooch and Crowe is beyond me.

 

[sayon basak]

Hmmm why do people think there's a big gap between Gooch and Crowe is beyond me.

Crowe is very highly rated. Gooch is very poorly rated.

That's it. No need to ask ask why.

 

[Prince EWS]

Hmmm why do people think there's a big gap between Gooch and Crowe is beyond me.

For their batting.

 

[Johan]

For their batting.

is Garner a better batter than either?

 

[Johan]

Crowe is very highly rated. Gooch is very poorly rated.

That's it. No need to ask ask why.

 

[sayon basak]

is Garner a better batter than either?

Not close tbh.


@Prince EWS does he deserve an infraction?

 

[Coronis]

Hmmm why do people think there's a big gap between Gooch and Crowe is beyond me.

Lots of things are beyond you apparently