Waqar Younis vs Virat Kohli

[OverratedSanity]

I feel Rabada's away record is kinda overhated.... His record is quite good in Australia and England and he really haven't underperformed much anywhere except India.

Rabada had one great tour of Australia, the second one he was so bad that he honestly deserved to average 70 or something but somehow picked up some of the most farzi wickets in test history to end up averaging 30 odd.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Rabada had one great tour of Australia, the second one he was so bad that he honestly deserved to average 70 or something but somehow picked up some of the most farzi wickets in test history to end up averaging 30 odd.

He averages 26 overall in Australia.I probably have missed that tour; but it's a tough thing to account for Farzi wickets. In India's last Test for eg; Bumrah was bowling excellent in the first innings, but he really doesn't have those wickets to show for. It's frustrating, but you somehow bowl good and return nothing and sometimes bowl thrash and have wickets to show. Moral of the story, I don't really know how to account for those.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

It’s why we should rate players on aggregates instead of splitting it up into country by country

 

[subshakerz]

It’s why we should rate players on aggregates instead of splitting it up into country by country

No.

 

[Majestic]

I forgot ball tampering stopped 01 Jan 1995

Social media became more prominent since then and cameras were there so no more blatant tampering

 

[Coronis]

Social media became more prominent since then and cameras were there so no more blatant tampering

Damn that late 90’s social media. **** was crazy. Can’t believe we weren’t using cameras before then either

 

[ma1978]

No.

only when the numbers suit subz

 

[centurymaker]

It’s why we should rate players on aggregates instead of splitting it up into country by country

Absolutely. Even if a player tours Australia thrice and plays 9 tests there, their overall numbers in the country could be misleading- due to a single series like that where they fluked bags of wickets. For instance Rabada-

1st tour Avg 22
2nd tour Avg 32
3rd tour Avg 32 (let's assume)
Net Australian Avg = 28

But it should have been
1st tour Avg 22
2nd tour Avg 54
3rd tour Avg 32
Net Australian Avg = 37

In the example above, just one fluke series like that has drastically changed his overall figures in Australia from potentially averaging 37 to now averaging 28. With avg of 37, he would have seen as a failure in Aus. With avg of 28, he is then in contention for borderline ATG status.

1-2 fluke away series or unlucky away series could decide the whole fate of certain bowlers. YET we don't learn and continue to treat sample sizes less than (for instance) 15 tests as very representative ....when actually they are far from that!

 

[Arachnodouche]

I think peak Kohli would handle peak Waqar fairly well. Never doubted his ability against x-pace or indeed reverse as Malinga would vouch for. This comparison is meaningless in all other aspects.

 

[subshakerz]

Absolutely. Even if a player tours Australia thrice and plays 9 tests there, their overall numbers in the country could be misleading- due to a single series like that where they fluked bags of wickets. For instance Rabada-

1st tour Avg 22
2nd tour Avg 32
3rd tour Avg 32 (let's assume)
Net Australian Avg = 28

But it should have been
1st tour Avg 22
2nd tour Avg 54
3rd tour Avg 32
Net Australian Avg = 37

In the example above, just one fluke series like that has drastically changed his overall figures in Australia from potentially averaging 37 to now averaging 28. With avg of 37, he would have seen as a failure in Aus. With avg of 28, he is then in contention for borderline ATG status.

1-2 fluke away series or unlucky away series could decide the whole fate of certain bowlers. YET we don't learn and continue to treat sample sizes less than (for instance) 15 tests as very representative ....when actually they are far from that!

Which is why I say we should look at both overall and series by series.

 

[Spark]

He averages 26 overall in Australia.I probably have missed that tour; but it's a tough thing to account for Farzi wickets. In India's last Test for eg; Bumrah was bowling excellent in the first innings, but he really doesn't have those wickets to show for. It's frustrating, but you somehow bowl good and return nothing and sometimes bowl thrash and have wickets to show. Moral of the story, I don't really know how to account for those.

You account for them simply by describing the performances in aggregate rather than as statistical samples of some mythical "goodness of batting in country" distribution.

 

[centurymaker]

England were 220-2 in the 3rd test vs India.
Bumrah and Kuldeep were exceptional on day 3 and their initial wickets and stained pressure led to England getting bowled out for 319.

Kuldeep got two wickets and Burmah just one wicket to show for their efforts in the innings, but collectively they were key to getting England bowled out within 100 runs that morning. Kuldeep's performance in particular was as good as a 4-fer or 5-fer. And thankfully it reflects in England getting bowled out cheaply.

This is something subshakers doesn't get as he keeps dismissing certain spinner's contributions.

 

[subshakerz]

England were 220-2 in the 3rd test vs India.
Bumrah and Kuldeep were exceptional on day 3 and their initial wickets and stained pressure led to England getting bowled out for 319.

Kuldeep got two wickets and Burmah just one wicket to show for their efforts in the innings, but collectively they were key to getting England bowled out within 100 runs that morning. Kuldeep's performance in particular was as good as a 4-fer or 5-fer. And thankfully it reflects in England getting bowled out cheaply.

This is something subshakers doesn't get as he keeps dismissing certain spinner's contributions.

Please keep to the topic.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Yea Bumrah had to work really hard and bowl very well to take that one wicket

 

[subshakerz]

I think peak Kohli would handle peak Waqar fairly well. Never doubted his ability against x-pace or indeed reverse as Malinga would vouch for. This comparison is meaningless in all other aspects.

Waqar is the sort of bowler who works well into Kohli's strengths. Wasim would give him trouble.

 

[Socerer 01]

Waqar is the sort of bowler who works well into Kohli's strengths. Wasim would give him trouble.

Wasim would be nightmare fuel for the current Indian team in knockout matches

-is a lefty
-can swing the ball in either direction
-has big dick energy