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its time to end the review system of umpiring

cnerd123

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The thing with LBWs is that umpires would only use the tech if they felt there was a chance it was out. They could also specify exactly what part they want checked - either the inside edge, or impact, or ball tracking. You wouldn't get that whole process followed in most situations.

Similarly for any other call - if the TV umpire is getting replays of every ball along with sicko, ball tracking, etc where relevant then they can help correct any incorrect calls on wides, etc.
 

TheJediBrah

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I have always said that they should have implemented something along the lines of what Rugby Union, and to a lesser extent VAR.

Basically it's up to the umpire to recruit whatever technical aids are available to him, at his/her discretion before making a decision on appeals. Essentially expanding what they do for run outs and stumpings across to all appeals.
This would still be worse than what we have now. You would either have virtually every single decision going to review, or if the umpire was more reluctant to use it then you would still get wrong decisions made that don't get reviewed. It's a fallacy to assume that every wrong decision an umpire makes is one that they are not confident about.
 

davado

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i dont know why the OP isnt self explanatry. Theres no need for delay and worse case scenaario you have to rebowl one delivery. Maybe the 3rd umpire gets so efficient you never have to rebowl any.
The no ball calls from the 3rd umpire havent caused any such problem afterall.
This surely is the way cricket must be umpired.
nothing else makes sense
 

TheJediBrah

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i dont know why the OP isnt self explanatry. Theres no need for delay and worse case scenaario you have to rebowl one delivery. Maybe the 3rd umpire gets so efficient you never have to rebowl any.
The no ball calls from the 3rd umpire havent caused any such problem afterall.
This surely is the way cricket must be umpired.
nothing else makes sense
sorry m8 can't agree with you here. It would delay the game massively, it's not the same as no-balls. Reviews for catches and lbws can take a long time, no-ball calls don't.

And "re-bowling" deliveries, or retroactively making deliveries that happened dead-balls is a non-starter for obvious reasons
 

davado

School Boy/Girl Captain
ye they take a long time now. takes them 5 minutes to locate the video, another 5 minutes of useless replays before they finally turn the snickometer on etc. But i think if they pulled their fingers out they could do it.
and it would become so routine as to be mundane.
but then im powerless to do anything but observe. So observe i shall
 

shortpitched713

International Captain
No sport is anywhere close to what is being proposed here. Almost every sport has various degrees of "half-assed" review systems, but they've led to massively more fair and accurate decision making than the time before them.

In addition with challenge systems there's the benefit of a perception of fairness. If you choose as a captain/batsman to use reviews and run out for spurious usage, you've got yourself largely to blame.

On the other hand, if it came down to umpire discretion exclusively, first of all the umpiring old guard inclination would go back to being hesitant in using it, and centralize the power back towards their own on-field decisions like the bad old days. Not even a malicious thing, it's just human nature. Additionally the players who currently have the agency would lose it, and for that reason alone would feel hard done by certain things not getting reviewed when they'd want them reviewed, even if these are once again spurious in the majority of cases.

So really the only choice you'd have is to always have a running review of the game being made in the upstairs video room, and while I would say it's possible for a video review tech / team to review every contentious ball in a timely manner without causing delay, the practical details of implementing such a plan in a way that's not completely alien to both players and umpires would be a massive challenge.

It's going to be a long time before we see a video review system anything like what is being suggested.
 

Midwinter

State Captain
The current review system is an artifice constructed solely for television , to increase the "drama" of the play. But because televison is very strict on timing, ie programming before, after and during games and advertising allocated to it, they can't allow an excessive amount of time for it.

Like most features introduced into the game in recent years, it is to attract viewers who don't know anything about cricket, not CW forumites.

HTH

:)
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
i dont know why the OP isnt self explanatry. Theres no need for delay and worse case scenaario you have to rebowl one delivery. Maybe the 3rd umpire gets so efficient you never have to rebowl any.
The no ball calls from the 3rd umpire havent caused any such problem afterall.
This surely is the way cricket must be umpired.
nothing else makes sense
you’re ignoring the impact it has on bowling plans for one. By your own scenario if Bhuvi gets a lbw shout on his second delivery that is being checked and he bowls the surprise quick inswing yorker as the fourth delivery which ends up being invalid after the guy is ruled to be dismissed, he is essentially robbed of the surprise weapon for the incoming batter as they will be set up to actively look for it. It becomes even worse when you start considering all the bluffs and double bluff shenanigans that teams try in the death overs.

others have already gone over how disruptive it would be to the flow of a game and how much time consuming it would be. You would know how dumb this idea is if you’ve played any form of cricket at any level instead of brainstorming it in your head alone
 

cnerd123

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On the other hand, if it came down to umpire discretion exclusively, first of all the umpiring old guard inclination would go back to being hesitant in using it, and centralize the power back towards their own on-field decisions like the bad old days. Not even a malicious thing, it's just human nature.
This is so far removed from reality. Look what happened when umpires were given the option to refer every runout/stumping to the 3rd umpire. They basically check every single appeal. The 'bad old days' you refer to were days when technology wasn't even an option. We've never had a situation where an umpire can check their decisions with tech but choose not to.

Umpires are there to facilitate the game. They don't enjoy making wrong decisions, and if they're given the option to use the tech they will use it wherever possible. Right now they're not given that option, and instead we've created an environment where players are encouraged to publicly challenge them. It's crazy. Just let the umpires use the tech available whenever they need it. Whatever time you lose will be saved by not having teams asking for LBW reviews off balls that came off the middle of the bat.
 

subshakerz

International Coach
I wouldnt limit the number of reviews. It seems silly to let a batsman go when you know he is out or vice versa.
 

subshakerz

International Coach
This is so far removed from reality. Look what happened when umpires were given the option to refer every runout/stumping to the 3rd umpire. They basically check every single appeal. The 'bad old days' you refer to were days when technology wasn't even an option. We've never had a situation where an umpire can check their decisions with tech but choose not to.

Umpires are there to facilitate the game. They don't enjoy making wrong decisions, and if they're given the option to use the tech they will use it wherever possible. Right now they're not given that option, and instead we've created an environment where players are encouraged to publicly challenge them. It's crazy. Just let the umpires use the tech available whenever they need it. Whatever time you lose will be saved by not having teams asking for LBW reviews off balls that came off the middle of the bat.
Back in the days before reviews, players would immediately be pissed if a decision goes the wrong way, whereas now it cools down the temperature knowing you can review. You dont have to worry about home umpire bias as much.

To me just use technology to correct the umpire in real time rather than let bad decision stay.
 

TheJediBrah

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This is so far removed from reality. Look what happened when umpires were given the option to refer every runout/stumping to the 3rd umpire. They basically check every single appeal. The 'bad old days' you refer to were days when technology wasn't even an option. We've never had a situation where an umpire can check their decisions with tech but choose not to.

Umpires are there to facilitate the game. They don't enjoy making wrong decisions, and if they're given the option to use the tech they will use it wherever possible. Right now they're not given that option, and instead we've created an environment where players are encouraged to publicly challenge them. It's crazy. Just let the umpires use the tech available whenever they need it. Whatever time you lose will be saved by not having teams asking for LBW reviews off balls that came off the middle of the bat.
Which is exactly what the issue would be . . . nearly every appeal being reviewed and the game grinding to a halt. Or the alternative is if they use it less to avoid this, they make incorrect decisions that can't be challenged and changed because they choose not to review it. The whole point of leaving it in the players hands to "challenge" is to avoid this, and it's a way better system right now than if you just left it entirely up to the umpires as you are proposing.
 

Prince EWS

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Which is exactly what the issue would be . . . nearly every appeal being reviewed and the game grinding to a halt. Or the alternative is if they use it less to avoid this, they make incorrect decisions that can't be challenged and changed because they choose not to review it. The whole point of leaving it in the players hands to "challenge" is to avoid this, and it's a way better system right now than if you just left it entirely up to the umpires as you are proposing.
I think the players get it wrong even more than the umpires would, but people accept it because then it's 'their fault'. I personally don't like the prospect of having games decided by how good the players are at umpiring.
 

TheJediBrah

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I think the players get it wrong even more than the umpires would, but people accept it because then it's 'their fault'. I personally don't like the prospect of having games decided by how good the players are at umpiring.
It's not perfect, but it's better than the alternative
 

Shady Slim

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Which is exactly what the issue would be . . . nearly every appeal being reviewed and the game grinding to a halt. Or the alternative is if they use it less to avoid this, they make incorrect decisions that can't be challenged and changed because they choose not to review it. The whole point of leaving it in the players hands to "challenge" is to avoid this, and it's a way better system right now than if you just left it entirely up to the umpires as you are proposing.
let us also not forget that the review was brought in to correct "the howler", and like the whole thing of the howler is that it's an obvious dismissal the umpire's got no interest in giving out - so maybe the marginal decisions would be better at a slightly better rate but the howlers would go thru the roof
 

TheJediBrah

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let us also not forget that the review was brought in to correct "the howler", and like the whole thing of the howler is that it's an obvious dismissal the umpire's got no interest in giving out - so maybe the marginal decisions would be better at a slightly better rate but the howlers would go thru the roof
Very good point. It's not like when the ump gives an lbw that the batsman's smashed they think it's a borderline call. They think it's plumb, but just didn't notice the edge.
 

Daemon

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I think the ship has long sailed on 'getting rid of the howler'. Once you have the tech, people consider pretty much anything wrong to be a howler.
We get a different kind of howler these days - ones where the third ump/hawkeye is clearly on drugs
 

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