*Official* India tour of Ireland and England 2022

[Aritro]

Flem hates the Poms more than the average Kiwi, I feel

 

[CricAddict]

Such a terrible score to wake up to. But kudos England. Great chase.

 

[Adders]

Flem hates the Poms more than the average Kiwi, I feel

And yet we all love him so much, oh wait......

 

[Adders]

What's got me ****ed is that for nearly 150 years test cricket has been played under the false premise that batting last is difficult??? And yet it turns out it's realy quite easy. Amazing when you think about it tbh.

 

[Spark]

Yeah it's abundantly clear that teams defending 4th innings scores do not really know how to react mentally to a side which approaches chases like this, the sense of panic and chaos it induces in the fielding captain has been palpable in these four games.

 

[Bahnz]

What's got me ****ed is that for nearly 150 years test cricket has been played under the false premise that batting last is difficult??? And yet it turns out it's realy quite easy. Amazing when you think about it tbh.

Genuinely think that a big part of the historic difficulty of chasing 250+ totals in the 4th innings is down to psychological factors. Don't get me wrong, chasing these sorts of totals is difficult and teams will fail most of the time. But that fact often leads teams into a negative, "conserve wickets and take it deep" mindset that often leads to sides passing up scoring opportunities, which only makes things harder when they get the inevitable unplayable delivery that exposes the new batsmen to a buoyed bowling attack and tricky conditions.

 

[Bahnz]

Flem hates the Poms more than the average Kiwi, I feel

Nah, he's just read a few too many Burgey posts

 

[Flem274*]

Nah, he's just read a few too many Burgey posts

No, I hate the Poms since 2013 tour here.

However, it would be funny if they win tonight.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Brahs in the course of history the wickets tend to deteriorate a lot more making batting last difficult. The last few games conditions haven't gotten that much worse for batting by the end of the game, not surprising chasing hasn't been as hard as you would normally expect

 

[SteveNZ]

And it’s amusing seeing Kiwis trying to justify their recent belting based on this game

Haha. I think you'll find we were pretty realistic about how poor we were.

 

[Shady Slim]

Brahs in the course of history the wickets tend to deteriorate a lot more making batting last difficult. The last few games conditions haven't gotten that much worse for batting by the end of the game, not surprising chasing hasn't been as hard as you would normally expect

i think the idea isn't that wickets don't deteriorate whatsoever, obviously it's a factor on most pitches (though like as you point out not on all), more that there's also a timidity teams approach chases with that makes things more difficult and means that the bowling team can front-run when they get one or two wickets

 

[TheJediBrah]

i think the idea isn't that wickets don't deteriorate whatsoever, obviously it's a factor on most pitches (though like as you point out not on all), more that there's also a timidity teams approach chases with that makes things more difficult and means that the bowling team can front-run when they get one or two wickets

I'm just saying you can't look at the last few games and say "oh geez chasing isn't that hard not sure why everyone makes a big deal out of it for all these years"

Like try doing it on a ****ed pitch with massive cracks and footmarks with one ball an over rolling

 

[Shady Slim]

i think the idea isn't that wickets don't deteriorate whatsoever, obviously it's a factor on most pitches (though like as you point out not on all), more that there's also a timidity teams approach chases with that makes things more difficult and means that the bowling team can front-run when they get one or two wickets

a game that happened here comes to mind on this one, excellent game that it was. india australia at adelaide 2014.

india 242/2 and they had 122 to win so, with eight in hand they'd done two thirds of the work, made harris, johnson, and lyon all seem impotent. lyon bowled so well that game and yet for a long time india were well on top of him. 8/73 later and they're all done. the pitch was far from perfect and lyon again did bowl well, but that's a great example of my mind where despite the score situation objectively favouring india at the point that it turned, you still sort of felt australia was always on top because wimbo wumbo it's the fourth

 

[Chrish]

Chasing over +250 is incredibly difficult and +300 is nearly impossible in SC.. Outside you have a realistic chance as wickets in SENA don’t usually crumble.

 

[Bahnz]

On that point everyone’s talking like the game is over, but with England’s long tail an India win is still very possible. Bumrah and Shami should be fresh enough to bowl for an hour unchanged in the morning, if they can make a couple of breakthroughs early then it could all unravel very quickly.

 

[Shady Slim]

On that point everyone’s talking like the game is over, but with England’s long tail an India win is still very possible. Bumrah and Shami should be fresh enough to bowl for an hour unchanged in the morning, if they can make a couple of breakthroughs early then it could all unravel very quickly.

which incidentally is exactly what happened in the game i mentioned above - saha departed at six down with not many to get but it was already over at that point

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The same thing happened when India toured NZ in 2014. Baz will remember - he got a double hundred in that test a week before he got a triple.

India were chasing 407 to win with Kohli and Dharwan. They were on a score that Benaud would love (222 for 2) when Wagner got Kohli. Prior to that they were coasting. All out for 366. NZ won by 40.

 

[Bahnz]

Would be awesome if India managed to win by less than 30 runs, then Broad's over from hell will have decided the match.

 

[SteveNZ]

Bazball is just some guy with sunglasses and a hat sitting on a balcony while everyone speculates endlessly about what this all really means, man.

This needs to be a thread - 'What is BazBall'

 

[Adders]

I'm just saying you can't look at the last few games and say "oh geez chasing isn't that hard not sure why everyone makes a big deal out of it for all these years"

Like try doing it on a ****ed pitch with massive cracks and footmarks with one ball an over rolling

Did you think my post was serious?