New Zealand in Pakistan

[Flem274*]

NZ media reporting initial threats via email to players in weeks before tour were not credible, but morning of game a very credible threat was made. Stuff.co.nz were trying to draw NZC on a plane and hotel bomb but no one is commenting.

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

I've had my issues with David White but credit to him here, after some early tenure terrible media performances where he made everything worse (captaincygate) he's being pretty classy here.

Embarrassing media performance notwithstanding, you have to feel for the players and officials who’ve put in so much work for this only for it be set back.

When the entire country appears to feel the same way, there has to be a perspective we’re missing. They live and raise families Pakistan, at some level they’ve probably internalised what we find unacceptable levels of threats because it is literally their reality.

Yes, though can't help but suspect bombing the Pakistan cricket team would be a death sentence for any organisation who managed it. The threat is a bit different if you're foreign.

 

[honestbharani]

There must be a level of empathy when discussing this though, they’ve been through exceptionally dire circumstances.

And I think there has been, in this thread. That was my point.

 

[Daemon]

Wasim Akram was literally shot at in his car tbf

 

[Flem274*]

Wasim Akram was literally shot at in his car tbf

what the ****?

post match fixing fallout or just some loser trying to hurt him and the Pakistani people at random?

 

[Bahnz]

Black Cap received death threat before departing on aborted Pakistan cricket tour

Cricketer was so concerned they considered not travelling to Pakistan, and in the end the whole team left in a hurry after receiving more threats.

i.stuff.co.nz

Reports starting to come in that the BC’s received death threats following the cancellation of the tour.

 

[Noumenon]

*Credible threat*

And obviously it's hard to understand that there's quite likely a matter of safety or some logical reason as to why that hasn't been shared?

''some logical reason''

Amazing.

1. No sharing of the nature or type of threat
2. No reasons furnished on why the information isn't being shared

But obviously there's some hidden logical reason at work.

 

[Noumenon]

Of course, we have witnessed only recently how this 5 Anus intelligence works in Afganistan. An entire family with kids murdered in a drone attack that was actually awaiting a move to US.

 

[Flem274*]

*Credible threat*


''some logical reason''

Amazing.

1. No sharing of the nature or type of threat
2. No reasons furnished on why the information isn't being shared

But obviously there's some hidden logical reason at work.

ok champ

 

[Prince EWS]

*Credible threat*


''some logical reason''

Amazing.

1. No sharing of the nature or type of threat
2. No reasons furnished on why the information isn't being shared

But obviously there's some hidden logical reason at work.

I'd be quite happy to jump on this conspiracy theory if there was a logical alternative.

If they'd cancelled the trip before they even went then we could speculate that they just cbf. But given they showed up and wasted all that time before going back home, they obviously planned to play and then something changed.

Given that, I think I'm happy to take it at face value that there was a threat they deemed credible. Maybe they over-reacted to a very small risk, but I don't think there's really a logical explanation for their actions other than what it says on the tin.

 

[SteveNZ]

*Credible threat*


''some logical reason''

Amazing.

1. No sharing of the nature or type of threat
2. No reasons furnished on why the information isn't being shared

But obviously there's some hidden logical reason at work.

Ok, no worries. NZ is a small place, I know the prime minister. I'll send her a message and let her know some guy on the internet wants to know why the Intel they've received isn't being shared, and ultimately what it is.

I'll get back to you when I hear.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

It's correct that intelligence agencies should be fully transparent. Five Eyes should reveal their sources and R&AW should tell us what they're doing in Africa plus what kind of training operations they're conducting with the CIA.

 

[Daemon]

what the ****?

post match fixing fallout or just some loser trying to hurt him and the Pakistani people at random?

No idea, was like 5 years ago or something. Was labelled as an assassination attempt in the media.

 

[Prince EWS]

what the ****?

post match fixing fallout or just some loser trying to hurt him and the Pakistani people at random?

It was reported as road rage I think. Bloke probably didn't even know who he was.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah if anything his fame seems to have saved him:

"He tried to shoot me, his gun was pointing at me, then people told him my identity and he fired at the side of my car. Had the people not told him about me, he would have shot me."

 

[SteveNZ]

I'd be quite happy to jump on this conspiracy theory if there was a logical alternative.

If they'd cancelled the trip before they even went then we could speculate that they just cbf. But given they showed up and wasted all that time before going back home, they obviously planned to play and then something changed.

Given that, I think I'm happy to take it at face value that there was a threat they deemed credible. Maybe they over-reacted to a very small risk, but I don't think there's really a logical explanation for their actions other than what it says on the tin.

This is exactly right. I've said this in previous posts - we were there. I've read all these Pakistan loons, including current and former players who should know better saying it's a conspiracy. How is there any lick of logic to a conspiracy? Holy ****, the longest of long bows to suggest we'd fly all the way in, only to bail out for no other reason than to form some sort of protest or whatever else these people are hinting at?

Yeah, maybe we did over-react. Pretty sure Tom Latham and co are pretty happy for that to be the case, over sticking around to find out.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

It was reported as road rage I think. Bloke probably didn't even know who he was.

It was Waqar imo

 

[duffer]

*Credible threat*


''some logical reason''

Amazing.

1. No sharing of the nature or type of threat
2. No reasons furnished on why the information isn't being shared

But obviously there's some hidden logical reason at work.

The NZ government sharing their intel and sources of intel could compromise a lot of people/organisations. Why do they have to do that? It's a ridiculous thing to ask

 

[Flem274*]

No idea, was like 5 years ago or something. Was labelled as an assassination attempt in the media.

It was reported as road rage I think. Bloke probably didn't even know who he was.

Yeah if anything his fame seems to have saved him:

"He tried to shoot me, his gun was pointing at me, then people told him my identity and he fired at the side of my car. Had the people not told him about me, he would have shot me."

holy ****. Glad he got out of that in one piece.

 

[Noumenon]

I'd be quite happy to jump on this conspiracy theory if there was a logical alternative.

I think you are reading stuff I didn't say.

Right about now, there are scores of NATO forces in hotels in Pakistan - or were till a few days ago - on their way out of Afghanistan. Would they be there if they didn't trust Pakistani security apparatus at all?

So this cop out from NZ that they have a credible threat but which they would 1) neither share with hosts 2) nor explain why they won't share - makes no sense.

It's more than just basic decency, it sets such a terrible precedent of taking unilateral decisions and being utterly opaque and unaccountable for added measure.

 

[Noumenon]

The NZ government sharing their intel and sources of intel could compromise a lot of people/organisations. Why do they have to do that? It's a ridiculous thing to ask

How would it compromise more than NATO forces relying completely on Pakistan to depart after their surrender in Afghanistan?

Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, this is a reason coming from you. Let the NZ government say they do not trust pakistan with intel sharing. They have made no such claim yet.