3rd ODI at Canberra, 2 Dec 2020

[TheJediBrah]

Shhh move on

 

[h_hurricane]

Steve Waugh was a test match failure for a long long time. And a *****ing cheat to add to that. In fact, he was averaging 36 with the bat until the end of his 8th year after debut. Yes, 8 years and 46 tests. Australia obviously saw something good in him at that stage, persisted with him and it paid rich dividends.

Iyer hasn't even made his test debut and people are calling him out as if he has been a long term failure.

 

[h_hurricane]

Symonds=Redsok

ftfy

 

[stephen]

I really like this ****oo land that @stephen and @TheJediBrah inhabit when the slightest fact that shows something wrong with Aussie cricketers is brought up...

"never troubled" indeed........

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ArtisticOldfashionedBarb-mobile.mp4

You're saying that Steve Waugh, a guy who averaged 50 across a huge career playing a large amount of his tests against Ambrose, Walsh, Donald and even Marshall was troubled by the short ball? Fmd, the guy averaged 53 in the 90s, the second highest behind Tendulkar.

Iyer was clearly troubled by the short ball both from fast bowlers and Moises Henriques.

To put these two batsmen anywhere near the same conversation is completely deluded, no matter how many emoticons you add.

 

[honestbharani]

You're saying that Steve Waugh, a guy who averaged 50 across a huge career playing a large amount of his tests against Ambrose, Walsh, Donald and even Marshall was troubled by the short ball? Fmd, the guy averaged 53 in the 90s, the second highest behind Tendulkar.

Iyer was clearly troubled by the short ball both from fast bowlers and Moises Henriques.

To put these two batsmen anywhere near the same conversation is completely deluded, no matter how many emoticons you add.

Have a look at that shot mate, then speak. And yes, Steve Waugh did forge a career averaging 50 in tests while being uncomfortable against the short ball. That shows how good he was actually to be able to do so well inspite of that. And yes, Steve Waugh was actually dropped for being poor and actually figured out that he was having trouble with the short ball, decided to never play any shot at it unless it was absolutely necessary, recalibrated his game towards that end and succeeded. Shreyas played two horrible shots to the fast bouncer, two. Lets wait a year before we pass judgements, at the very least?

And honestly, what is deluded is to conclude how a player will go based on about 8 balls he faced in a random JAMODI series in the year of a pandemic where so little cricket has actually been played.

 

[stephen]

Waugh wasn't dropped because he couldn't play the short ball. He was dropped because he was picked well before he was ready because the stocks were so thin.

And yes, I'll judge a batsman who gets out so awfully to the short ball regardless of the circumstances. That's a player who won't succeed long term, particularly in tests until he can get it sorted.

 

[honestbharani]

Waugh wasn't dropped because he couldn't play the short ball. He was dropped because he was picked well before he was ready because the stocks were so thin.

And yes, I'll judge a batsman who gets out so awfully to the short ball regardless of the circumstances. That's a player who won't succeed long term, particularly in tests until he can get it sorted.

It will make sense if we are talking about him playing tests. He is not even in the squad, FFS. And yes, the point is everyone looks awful when they get out to a bouncer from time to time. But a guy this young in his career cannot be judged so quickly. You can judge away all you want and I hope the Aussie team thinks he can be easily bounced out too, tbh. It will just mean he is that much more likely to succeed against them when they rock up to bowl to him with no plan B.

 

[honestbharani]

Waugh wasn't dropped because he couldn't play the short ball.

Where did I say that? He was dropped coz he was poor. He identified his play against the short ball as one of his weaknesses and found a way to work around it. A short ball weakness does not mean you keep getting out to the short ball, btw. Ganguly hardly ever got out to a short ball either. As Spark pointed out, it messes with your head and you end playing the regular or full balls poorly. I certainly dont think Shreyas will go down that path, at least in the long term.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Waugh was prepared to take short balls he deemed a risk on his body. I believe that hints at a technical glitch, because you shouldn't have to do that time and again, but not sure if it can be called indecisiveness either...more like he was actively preempting a threat to his wicket by any means necessary. Muddy area.

 

[Red]

Waugh could play the short ball very comfortably. He just didn't hook and pull.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'd even say he was one of the best "players" of the short ball in the world during the 90s. It's one reason why he was so good against the West Indies.

(I use inverted commas because he didn't really directly play it much at all, but he didn't tend to get out to it which is the whole point of what we're talking about isn't it?)

 

[Victor Ian]

Sorry, but HB is the winner here. Two games ffs! Steve Waugh WAS **** against the short ball, but he became superman by deciding not to play them and take them on the body. Iyas's might play the short ball better when scoreboard pressure is not requiring him to hit it for 6.
How do you pronounce Shreyas. At the moment I am saying it like I say 'Australia's' when i am drunk.

 

[TheJediBrah]

HB (and everyone else) is definitely right about Shreyas. You can't judge **** from 2 games. But look how this started, Burgey trolling Indian posters v 846767 and they bite every ****ing time.

 

[Burgey]

It's a gift. The greats just get it done.

Mind you, I do think he's ****ing terrible against it. That periscope in the first game should really have ended his career.

 

[honestbharani]

The "I was just trolling" excuse after being wrong..... V88978732

 

[stephen]

The "I was just trolling" excuse after being wrong..... V88978732

This explains all of your posts then?

 

[Burgey]

The "I was just trolling" excuse after being wrong..... V88978732

Lol as though I am wrong about this. Or anything much, come to that. Iyer should have his papers marked. Terrible. Genuinely c. Fear b. Trepidation against anything above waist height.

 

[Burgey]

Iyer hasn't even made his test debut

haahahahahahahahhaa are you seriously saying he's going to be in line for a test call up?

Please, oh please let it be in this series.

 

[Burgey]

Fmd, the guy averaged 53 in the 90s, the second highest behind Tendulkar.

Didn't bat on Indian featherbeds vs minnows 3 out of 4 digs either.

 

[honestbharani]

This explains all of your posts then?

It shows how much you read of anyone's posts, really....