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And that's with the bat, before bowling is even taken into accountPure speculation but from what I've heard of Ironmonger he would have been tailor-made for Indian conditions. Like Jadeja but better.
And that's with the bat, before bowling is even taken into accountPure speculation but from what I've heard of Ironmonger he would have been tailor-made for Indian conditions. Like Jadeja but better.
The Australian first XI is so strong. I think if a world existed where all ATGs played each other for the 2 year test championship, it will be clearly,Hayden
Trumper
Bradman
Smith
G Chappell
Border*
Gilchrist+
Davidson
Warne
Lillee
McGrath
12th: O'Reilly
Bench strength XI:
Simpson
Lawry
Ponting
Harvey
S Waugh*
Miller
Healy+
O'Reilly
Grimmett
Lindwall
McDermott
12th: Clarke
India is 5th only due to the pacers. Hoping that Bumrah and Shami continue their success or take it even one more level higher for India to get to 3rd here.Australia
West Indies
England
South Africa
India
Pakistan
SL/NZ
Zimbabwe
Ban/Afg
Ireland
IMO the order for ATG XIs. But yes, Aus and to a lesser extent WI are far ahead of the others in both departments (ofc WI spin is not good but is still okay and often unneeded).
Perhaps. Trueman and Barnes are both very good though, as are the English openers (especially if you have all three, better IMO (and Grace if you want to go there) and spinning options. Roughly equal for me, maybe leaning towards SA.SA > Eng easily for me. Because of the bowling.
With all due respect, Australia does probably have best atg team but it's not daylight or anything between theirs and other XIs.The Australian first XI is so strong. I think if a world existed where all ATGs played each other for the 2 year test championship, it will be clearly,
Tier 1: Australia
Tier 4: West Indies
Tier 6: Other countries' ATG teams
Even with Bumrah or whoever else, India's atg xi is not better than their next door neighborsIndia is 5th only due to the pacers. Hoping that Bumrah and Shami continue their success or take it even one more level higher for India to get to 3rd here.
Yes, it is daylight. Bradman is a level above. And they have Bradman, Smith, Gilchrist, Warne and Mcgrath all potentially making it to the overall ATG team while other countries have only 1 or 2 making it.With all due respect, Australia does probably have best atg team but it's not daylight or anything between theirs and other XIs.
Man to man, India's 1 to 7 are stronger than Pakistan's. Saqlain and Ashwin/Jadeja are neck and neck. Ash/Jaddu are probably better than Saqlain by the amount Imran is better than Dev.Even with Bumrah or whoever else, India's atg xi is not better than their next door neighbors
Assumed Indian xi
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli*
Laxman
Dhoni+
Dev
Ashwin
Srinath
Shami
Bumrah simply hasn't played anywhere enough tests to be considered.
Pakistan
Saeed
Hanif
Inzi
Javed
Younis
Yousuf
Sarfraz+
Imran*
Wasim
Saqlain
Waqar
India's batting is better but Pakistan's bowling is head and shoulders above India's and probably on par with any other world atg attack.
I think Hazare/Mankad and Kumble instead of Laxman and a pacer is a more normal and better XI for India (also Sarfaraz in there and Kohli captaining, really?), but yes, I did forget Pakistan's immense bowling strength (IMO Waqar, Wasim, Imran is probably the best pace attack at a given time produced by a country, and has batting capability as well). But on the other side of the equation, Pakistan have a top 7 which SL could challenge and IMO Pakistan will be hit-and-miss. About the same as India on reflection.Even with Bumrah or whoever else, India's atg xi is not better than their next door neighbors
Assumed Indian xi
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli*
Laxman
Dhoni+
Dev
Ashwin
Srinath
Shami
Bumrah simply hasn't played anywhere enough tests to be considered.
Pakistan
Saeed
Hanif
Inzi
Javed
Younis
Yousuf
Sarfraz+
Imran*
Wasim
Saqlain
Waqar
India's batting is better but Pakistan's bowling is head and shoulders above India's and probably on par with any other world atg attack.
Using England as an example they could potentially have Sutcliffe, hobbs, Hutton, Hammond, Knott, Ames, Trueman, Barnes in a world xiYes, it is daylight. Bradman is a level above. And they have Bradman, Smith, Gilchrist, Warne and Mcgrath all potentially making it to the overall ATG team while other countries have only 1 or 2 making it.
???Historically, Pakistan has been the better touring side in England and NZ whereas India fares better in Australia and WI. In Asia, India would just about perform better.
Pakistan vs India ATG XIs would be really close in quality imo. 20 years back, it would have been a non contest.India have added a few ATGs and a few ATVGs in this period. Pakistan has added only Younis Khan and Inzi.
Interestingly, since Pakistan's debut in 1952, they have a win loss ratio of 1.06 (136 wins vs 128 losses) whereas India has 1.02 (153 wins vs 150 losses). India has a better win loss ratio since 1971 when the first ATGs (Gavaskar and Imran) debuted.
It is a lot closer than most think.
This is mostly the case. Wierdly, even with Imran, Akram and Waqar at their peak, Pakistan had a pretty poor record in Australia. India had fared much better there. Also performed better in WI.???
India's batting >Pakistan batting
Pakistan's bowling >> India's
Not really.???
India's batting >Pakistan batting
Pakistan's bowling >> India's
In my (normal) XI there are three Australians (I don't think Smith's done enough, equivalent to Headley IMO) and three West Indians.Yes, it is daylight. Bradman is a level above. And they have Bradman, Smith, Gilchrist, Warne and Mcgrath all potentially making it to the overall ATG team while other countries have only 1 or 2 making it.
Gavaskar-Sehwag-Dravid-Tendulkar-Kohli vs Hanif-Anwar-inzi-Younis-miandad. India's is clearly better but I wouldn't say the gap is as wide as the one between the two pace attacks.Not really.
India's batting >>Pakistan batting
Pakistan's bowling > India's
will be the right one. Since India's spinners are better than the neighbours'.