The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[bagapath]

Removing the time restriction, the top rankings for best bowling averages by position for at least 100 wickets go to

1. Marshall
2. Barnes
3. Murali
4. Tayfield

The 5th postion, reducing the requirement to 75 wickets, goes to

DL Underwood (second behind Murali)

 

[Bolo]

I went for best bowling averages for bowling positions from 1 to 4.

The only fudging is Sobers ahead of Chanders at 6. To give a fifth bowling option

Selection for batting positions 1 to 5, keeper at 7 and bowlers at positions 1,2,3 and 4 are all based on top averages.

Then it's surprising in a different way. That is a ridiculously sttong tail end for guys being picked on bowling average.

 

[bagapath]

Two teams for tests and ODIs without changing the batting order

1971 to 1995

Greenidge
Haynes
Viv Richards
G.Chappell
Miandad
Imran Khan
Dujon (wk)
Hadlee
Akram
Garner
Qadir

Reserves: Zaheer, Kapil, Lillee


1996 to 2019

Hayden
Jayasuriya
Sangakara
Kohli
Kallis
ABDV
Dhoni (wk)
S Pollock
Warne
Murali
McGrath

Reserves: Ponting, Donald, Waqar

 

[harsh.ag]

A little too rigid wrt batting positions imo.

Tendulkar and Gilchrist should be locks for the 1996-2019 teams.

 

[bagapath]

A little too rigid wrt batting positions imo.

Tendulkar and Gilchrist should be locks for the 1996-2019 teams.

but that is the point...

 

[stephen]

G Smith for Jaya
Ponting for Sanga
Hussey for ABDV (ABDV batting too low at 6)
Steyn for Pollock

 

[bagapath]

Steyn unreliable in ODIs. Even Curtly is behind Pollock in the 50 over game.

 

[Spark]

G Smith for Jaya
Ponting for Sanga
Hussey for ABDV (ABDV batting too low at 6)
Steyn for Pollock

This is a bizarre rationale for picking the obviously worse batsman.

 

[CricAddict]

A little too rigid wrt batting positions imo.

Tendulkar and Gilchrist should be locks for the 1996-2019 teams.

Can't fathom Tendulkar being left out in a 96-2019 team whatever rigidity being applied.

 

[TheJediBrah]

This is a bizarre rationale for picking the obviously worse batsman.

Michael Hussey "obviously worse" than ABdV? I dunno about that.

 

[stephen]

This is a bizarre rationale for picking the obviously worse batsman.

The point is that you're picking them as close as possible to their actual batting positions. Hussey @6 in both tests and ODIs was a force. ABDV never usually batted that low, particularly in ODIs.

 

[TheJediBrah]

ABdV would be a better no. 6 than Hussey in ODIs though, little doubt about that

 

[stephen]

ABdV would be a better no. 6 than Hussey in ODIs though, little doubt about that

Maybe but he batted far higher up than that for a lot of his career - opening and number 4.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Ironically I think Hussey might have been a better no.3 or 4, but de Villiers in late-overs ODIs was unstoppable

 

[stephen]

Can't fathom Tendulkar being left out in a 96-2019 team whatever rigidity being applied.

The rigidity is the point of the list, which is why Gilchrist is left out and Hussey bats 6.

 

[stephen]

Ironically I think Hussey might have been a better no.3 or 4, but de Villiers in late-overs ODIs was unstoppable

Undoubtedly, but de Villiers spent 80% of his career batting 4, which in this team disqualifies him from batting 6 if I understand the spirit of the teams correctly.

The point is not to pick the best bloke, but the best bloke in the particular position for both ODIs and tests. Hussey perfectly qualifies given he is near the top run scorer of all time at 6 in ODIs and regularly batted 6 in tests.

 

[bagapath]

Can't fathom Tendulkar being left out in a 96-2019 team whatever rigidity being applied.

where would you have tendulkar in a team with the same batting order for both formats???? he opened in ODIs and batted at 4 in tests!!!

if i select a "lefties xI" and leave tendulkar out, will you say i am being rigid with my criteria?

 

[CricAddict]

where would you have tendulkar in a team with the same batting order for both formats???? he opened in ODIs and batted at 4 in tests!!!

if i select a "lefties xI" and leave tendulkar out, will you say i am being rigid with my criteria?

Oops, sorry Bagapath. I thought the rigidity was applied to specific formats alone. If it is across the formats, yes, Tendulkar will not qualify here

 

[stephen]

Lefty XI (from the top of my head so this can do with a huge amount of improvement)

Hayden
Warner
Lara
Border
Sobers
Hussey
Gilchrist+
Davidson
Johnson
Akram
Herath

 

[Spark]

Michael Hussey "obviously worse" than ABdV? I dunno about that.

Pretty clear to me tbh, and I'm definitely not an ABdV fanboy in Tests.

Although if we're saying "batsman must have batted in this position for a substantial proportion of their career, and especially after becoming established in the team", then fair enough.