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CW decides the greatest ODI batsman ever (submit your own top 20 list)

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Fuller Pilch

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Grant Elliot 84* v SA and 83 v Aus.

That's an average of 167 in World Cup knockouts.

Sorry Viv, but we have our ODI batting GOAT.
 
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ankitj

ankitj

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There was a time when average >40 at SR > 80 was really rate. At one time around 1998 or so only 3 had that distinction - Richards, Tendulkar, Abbas. Another reason why Abbas should be ranked high in this exercise.
 
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_00_deathscar

International Regular
Pap Finn Keighl said:
93-97
Lara 51 at 82
No other batsman managed 45 at 75
Also he was ranked number 1 odi Batsman for straight 7 or so years. ( Most for any ? )
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What are you on about?

You literally said:
Early - mid 90s Lara
95-99 Bevan , Sachin
2000-04 Sachin
05-09 Dhoni , Hussey
10-14 Abdv , Dhoni , Amla , Kohli
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So that presumably means Lara dominated 90-95 when it turns out only two batsmen averaged 45+ and S/R 75+ between 90-94, and neither of them were named Brian Lara.
 
Pap Finn Keighl

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
_00_deathscar said:
What are you on about?

You literally said:


So that presumably means Lara dominated 90-95 when it turns out only two batsmen averaged 45+ and S/R 75+ between 90-94, and neither of them were named Brian Lara.
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How is 90-95 early-mid 90s ?
I couldn't remember exact time period ,that's why I said early (90s) - mid 90s .
93 is in early 90s , 97 is in mid 90s.. afaik .
If I am mistaken , I am sorry .. but the fact remains Lara stats were extra ordinary for the period.

For 90-94 , I said 40 at 80 not 45 at 75 .. iirc
 
stephen

stephen

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Prioritising strike rates in analysis of players really should take the home country of the player into account.

It's all well and good saying that Sachin had an extraordinary strike rate (which he did) but then in the same breath not acknowledging that he also played half his matches in a country with short boundaries and flat roads which artificially inflated batsmen's stats.

Across all ODIs in history (regardless of teams playing), India has been the fastest country to score runs in, ave 5.14 rpo or 86 SR. Other countries see slower scoring on average. Australia has the slowest scoring rate of 4.63 rpo or 77 SR.

That's why Gilchrist is an ODI batting great while Sehwag is not, despite having similar stats. It's why Bevan is way better than a strike rate of 75 might suggest on the surface. It's why Tendulkar's strike rate of 85 isn't as good as it looks on the surface.
 
h_hurricane

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
stephen said:
Prioritising strike rates in analysis of players really should take the home country of the player into account.

It's all well and good saying that Sachin had an extraordinary strike rate (which he did) but then in the same breath not acknowledging that he also played half his matches in a country with short boundaries and flat roads which artificially inflated batsmen's stats.

Across all ODIs in history (regardless of teams playing), India has been the fastest country to score runs in, ave 5.14 rpo or 86 SR. Other countries see slower scoring on average. Australia has the slowest scoring rate of 4.63 rpo or 77 SR.

That's why Gilchrist is an ODI batting great while Sehwag is not, despite having similar stats. It's why Bevan is way better than a strike rate of 75 might suggest on the surface. It's why Tendulkar's strike rate of 85 isn't as good as it looks on the surface.
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So wrong on this one. Tendulkar has a strike rate of 88 in india and 85 outside india. Bevan has a strike rate of 72 in Australia and 75 outside Australia. Pretty reflecting of their relative standings as attacking bats.

Tendulkar also played only 35% of his matches at home.

Glichrist averaged 35 at 95 outside Australia. Sehwag averaged 35 at 103 outside India. Not saying he was better than Gilly by the way.

The 3 greatest ODI quick bowlers (Garner, Mcgrath and Akram) have played a small matter of 214 ODIs in Australia and 39 in india. The first ODI ever in India was played in 1981 and hence the ODIs here did not have to go through a period of low scoring as much as Australia.
 
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stephen

stephen

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h_hurricane said:
So wrong on this one. Tendulkar has a strike rate of 88 in india and 85 outside india. Bevan has a strike rate of 72 in Australia and 75 outside Australia. Pretty reflecting of their relative standings as attacking bats.

Tendulkar also played only 35% of his matches at home.

Glichrist averaged 35 at 95 outside Australia. Sehwag averaged 35 at 103 outside India. Not saying he was better than Gilly by the way.

The 3 greatest ODI quick bowlers (Garner, Mcgrath and Akram) have played a small matter of 214 ODIs in Australia and 39 in india. The first ODI ever in India was played in 1981 and hence the ODIs here did not have to go through a period of low scoring as much as Australia.
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Since the start of 1981 the run rate in Australia is 4.66. Hardly a huge difference.

Team records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
 
stephen

stephen

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And on Sachin himself, his strike rate in Australia was 75 and in South Africa was 80.

Bevan played a lot more in seam friendly conditions.
 
h_hurricane

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
stephen said:
And over the course of Sachin's career:

Team records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
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Hardly indicative. With the likes of Jayasurya and Afridi thrashing Manoj Prabhakar,Venkatesh Prasad and Balaji, the scoring rates are likely to go up. Not much to do with Sachin. On the other hand look at the great bowlers who played a lot of cricket in Australia. Garner had retired, but Mcgrath, Akram, Ambrose had played a hell lot of cricket in Australia during this period.
 
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McGrath's ER would have been much higher if he'd bowled in India most of the time then, LOL
 
h_hurricane

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
vcs said:
McGrath's ER would have been much higher if he'd bowled in India most of the time then, LOL
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Also Srinath would be as good as Mcgrath as the difference between their economy rates is only as much the relative difference in the economy rates between India and Aus.

Kumble had an economy rate of 4.30 and Warne 4.25, so Anil must be way better than Shane in that aspect. But wait, wasn't Australia simultaneously good for seamers and bad for spinners ?
 
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TheJediBrah

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h_hurricane said:
Hardly indicative. With the likes of Jayasurya and Afridi thrashing Manoj Prabhakar,Venkatesh Prasad and Balaji, the scoring rates are likely to go up. Not much to do with Sachin. On the other hand look at the great bowlers who played a lot of cricket in Australia. Garner had retired, but Mcgrath, Akram, Ambrose had played a hell lot of cricket in Australia during this period.
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It kind of is though. I don't really get why stephen brought it up but it genuinely shows that scoring was easier in India than Australia during that period.

Comparing Bevan and Sachin is dumb though, completely different players and completely different roles
 
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