Very good , Ponting for tests Viv for odi's though for me too. He can be your 6th bowler too 4 seam 2 spin
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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bagapath
International Captain
So if I juggle them around...
Post 1983 Test and ODI XIs with different players
Test XI
Sunil Gavaskar
Matthew Hayden
Ricky Ponting
Jacques Kallis
Brian Lara
Imran Khan
Adam Gilchrist +
Richard Hadlee
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Dale Steyn
ODI XI
Sachin Tendulkar
Hashim Amla
Viv Richards
Virat Kohli
AB De Villiers
MS Dhoni +*
Shaun Pollock
Wasim Akram
Joel Garner
Mutthiah Muralitharan
Glen McGrath
Left Over XI for both formats with fixed batting order
Virender Sehwag
Sanath Jayasurya
Kumar Sangakara +
Javed Miandad
Steve Waugh *
Shakib Al Hasan
Kapil Dev
Andrew Flintoff
Curtley Ambrose
Waqar Younis
Allan Donald
Post 1983 Test and ODI XIs with different players
Test XI
Sunil Gavaskar
Matthew Hayden
Ricky Ponting
Jacques Kallis
Brian Lara
Imran Khan
Adam Gilchrist +
Richard Hadlee
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Dale Steyn
ODI XI
Sachin Tendulkar
Hashim Amla
Viv Richards
Virat Kohli
AB De Villiers
MS Dhoni +*
Shaun Pollock
Wasim Akram
Joel Garner
Mutthiah Muralitharan
Glen McGrath
Left Over XI for both formats with fixed batting order
Virender Sehwag
Sanath Jayasurya
Kumar Sangakara +
Javed Miandad
Steve Waugh *
Shakib Al Hasan
Kapil Dev
Andrew Flintoff
Curtley Ambrose
Waqar Younis
Allan Donald
mr_mister
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Possibly Frank Woolley
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Wilton St Hill, Reggie Spooner, Lionel Palairet, Colin Milburn.
a massive zebra
International Captain
Wouldn't someone like Bob Taylor, Don Tallon or Jack Blackham be a more appropriate wicket keeper for this team? What is wrong with Alan Knott's stats?
Starfighter
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No.
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Just seems to have a bigger reputation. Was struggling for keepers and put him there. Tallon probably a better pick.
andmark
International Captain
Among England fans he might be. His average may get too much attention as opposed to wickets taken and how he bowled in practise (as opposed to how his average reflects).
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Read Reggie Spooner's Wisden obituary and some articles. One wonders if Laxman or Martyn would be perceived differently if our knowledge of them came from the pen of an aesthetically inclined writer rather than footage and stats.
h_hurricane
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Michael Atherton
Victor Trumper
Viv Richards
Martin Crowe
Aravinda De Silva
VVS Laxman
Godfrey Evans
Kapil Dev
Heath Streak
Rangana Herath
Andy Roberts
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Nothing but there are many who've averaged around 50 but none get as much praise and worship as Richards. Not Ponting, Dravid, Harvey, Worrell, or anyone else.
Coronis
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Sehwag averaged 49 with a SR of 82.
bagapath
International Captain
Different era when scores of batters averaged in the 50s.
And Viv's overseas record was awesome. Viru struggled outside Asia in general. Viru is a great. Viv is an all time great. By any logic, Viv should not be in this team. His number back his reputation. Honestly, even Kapil should not be in this team.
stephen
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It's funny because in many ways Viv and Ponting had very similar test match careers. Both were the best batsmen in the best sides in the world at the time. There were other batsmen around with comparable records (Border/Crowe for Viv, Tendulkar/Lara for Ponting). But Viv is held in so much more reverence than Ponting and I think it's largely due to his post-2007 decline. If Ponting had have retired after the 2009 Ashes when he was 35 he'd have retired with 11000 runs at an average of 56 over a 15 year career. He'd still be in the top ten run scorers of all time. We'd have been fawning over it and thinking that he retired early and probably have held him up as equal to our better than Lara/Tendulkar.
Take the last 3 years out of Viv's career and he ends with an average of 52, just a shade above Ponting's career average. Viv had less of a decline than Ponting did, but he still declined.
I guess final impressions do make a difference. Ponting I fell is severely underrated due to his last 3 years where he scored 2100 runs at an average of under 37 (which admittedly is higher than all bar one of Australia's current crop of batsmen).
Take the last 3 years out of Viv's career and he ends with an average of 52, just a shade above Ponting's career average. Viv had less of a decline than Ponting did, but he still declined.
I guess final impressions do make a difference. Ponting I fell is severely underrated due to his last 3 years where he scored 2100 runs at an average of under 37 (which admittedly is higher than all bar one of Australia's current crop of batsmen).