What to do about tour matches

[cnerd123]

Probably should tbh. NZ need some relevance as a team, nay, as a country.



I'd have Williamson at 3 and Smith at 4, Khawaja to open. Even someone like Boult could be useful as a change bowler when Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, Pattinson, Coulter-Nile, Behrendorff, Tremain and Worrall are all injured.

Surprised you'd pick Boult over Doggett tbh

 

[TheJediBrah]

Surprised you'd pick Boult over Doggett tbh

I said as a change bowler. Doggett and Sayers get the new ball.

 

[NUFAN]

At least Pakistan picked decent cricketers. Shafiq, Wahab, Salahuddin, Rahat, Aslam are all there or there abouts. Australia have been picking the CA XI recently which is just a bunch of young guys with none or under 3 first class matches.

Btw Iftikhar averages under 24 with the ball and took a test wicket in his only test so he isnt that bad a spinner.

 

[GotSpin]

At least Pakistan picked decent cricketers. Shafiq, Wahab, Salahuddin, Rahat, Aslam are all there or there abouts. Australia have been picking the CA XI recently which is just a bunch of young guys with none or under 3 first class matches.

Btw Iftikhar averages under 24 with the ball and took a test wicket in his only test so he isnt that bad a spinner.

Australia is definitely guilty of doing the same

 

[Adders]

Australia is definitely guilty of doing the same

Give Brah the heads up on that......if I tell him he'll never buy it.

 

[Starfighter]

At least Pakistan picked decent cricketers. Shafiq, Wahab, Salahuddin, Rahat, Aslam are all there or there abouts. Australia have been picking the CA XI recently which is just a bunch of young guys with none or under 3 first class matches.

Btw Iftikhar averages under 24 with the ball and took a test wicket in his only test so he isnt that bad a spinner.

The strength of the XI is only part of the equation. Australia has always given fairly representative bowling attacks in representative conditions for the opposition to face, while a big part of the problem at hand here is not doing so.

 

[Flem274*]

Timely reminder NZ only plays cricket and contributes an NRL club from our weakest sporting city to remind ourselves we are mortal. Every nation must be prepared to lose in order to win. That is how you earn the right to be aggressive, and how to create the ultimate sporting athletes like our real Rugby team is, along with a host of Olympic sports.

The West Island excels at sports it either plays with itself or where you're not allowed to break them in half if they get lippy, which is what you expect from a lesser nation that erupts in panic at the sight of a boat.

 

[Starfighter]

Timely reminder NZ only plays cricket and contributes an NRL club from our weakest sporting city to remind ourselves we are mortal. Every nation must be prepared to lose in order to win. That is how you earn the right to be aggressive, and how to create the ultimate sporting athletes like our real Rugby team is, along with a host of Olympic sports.

The West Island excels at sports it either plays with itself or where you're not allowed to break them in half if they get lippy, which is what you expect from a lesser nation that erupts in panic at the sight of a boat.

Ok

 

[jimmy101]

Timely reminder NZ only plays cricket and contributes an NRL club from our weakest sporting city to remind ourselves we are mortal. Every nation must be prepared to lose in order to win. That is how you earn the right to be aggressive, and how to create the ultimate sporting athletes like our real Rugby team is, along with a host of Olympic sports.

The West Island excels at sports it either plays with itself or where you're not allowed to break them in half if they get lippy, which is what you expect from a lesser nation that erupts in panic at the sight of a boat.

Shouldn't that be West Island(s)? Tbf I forget Tasmania exists most of the time as well.

 

[Flem274*]

That's the West Rock

 

[jimmy101]

I quite like that actually. Sounds bad-arse.

 

[the big bambino]

Reckon the ICC should reclassify the A games as a test match after they've finished and if the touring side gives them a pasting. Otherwise the touring teams should stay home practice and play games on pitches prepared for the country they're going to tour and fly in a few days before the tests start.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Australia is definitely guilty of doing the same

Give Brah the heads up on that......if I tell him he'll never buy it.

Nope, been over that already:

understrength sides being named

I can forgive fielding an understrength side because you don't have players available, sometimes you can't avoid that, but deliberately providing bad practice by providing conditions and opposition vastly different to what the Test matches will display needs to be seriously punished.

Australia (and other countries that do it afaik) hasn't named understrength sides deliberately to hurt a touring side's preparation, it's just a result if scheduling and availability. This isn't even on the same ballpark. It's a disgrace.

As mentioned both are issues with tour matches these days. One is just a lot more avoidable and a clearly malicious act whereas one is an unfortunate matter of circumstance. Same as tours of NZ for Aus not even having a tour match, it's not that NZ are trying to hurt Aus' preparation, there just isn't time.

 

[GotSpin]

Didn’t we give NZ a tour match and it got called off because the pitch was so bad?

 

[Starfighter]

Didn’t we give NZ a tour match and it got called off because the pitch was so bad?

He's talking about the Aus tour of NZ.

 

[Hicheal Michael]

NZ hosted a shield game between NSW & WA before the 2016 series.

That match included a few of the test players.

Not an official tour game though. I can't recall why there wasn't one.

 

[Maximas]

Picking an understrength side is one thing, but deliberately doctoring the conditions to betray those that will transpire in the forthcoming test matches and picking a tour match side that is completely unbalanced in an effort to deny the touring side proper acclimatisation is the crux of this thread, to my knowledge Australia never do this to anywhere near the extent that we're seeing here.

There was once a time when tour games in Aus were proper 4-day affairs where the state side would go hell for leather and often beat the touring team, players using it as a valuable chance to push for national credentials.

 

[the big bambino]

Timely reminder NZ only plays cricket and contributes an NRL club from our weakest sporting city to remind ourselves we are mortal. Every nation must be prepared to lose in order to win. That is how you earn the right to be aggressive, and how to create the ultimate sporting athletes like our real Rugby team is, along with a host of Olympic sports.

The West Island excels at sports it either plays with itself or where you're not allowed to break them in half if they get lippy, which is what you expect from a lesser nation that erupts in panic at the sight of a boat.

Poe's law fan forgets winky.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Picking an understrength side is one thing, but deliberately doctoring the conditions to betray those that will transpire in the forthcoming test matches and picking a tour match side that is completely unbalanced in an effort to deny the touring side proper acclimatisation is the crux of this thread, to my knowledge Australia never do this to anywhere near the extent that we're seeing here.

There was once a time when tour games in Aus were proper 4-day affairs where the state side would go hell for leather and often beat the touring team, players using it as a valuable chance to push for national credentials.

They were good days. Aus A would play a 4 day game every year and full strength state sides too. Martin Love got a Test debut in 2002/03 against England on the back of making two double tons against England for Qld and Aus A. I think the reason it's changed is more so due to international scheduling than any selection planning by the home board.

 

[cnerd123]

Tbf if your pool of talent is so deep that your second XI could comfortably beat a visiting side, then you might as well score psychological points instead of softballing the warmup.