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**Official** England in New Zealand
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Flem274*
123/5
Interesting. I didn't think Taylor had done that much of note this season with just a couple of 50s to his name IIRC. His WC showed that at this early stage he may struggle on slower pitches but that can be ironed out without too much trouble I would think. I prefer the Taylor of pre 2007 WC than the one we have this season though. I think he will get to test standard but he isn't there just yet.
Not sure that Sinclair should get a test spot unless he starts to score big in these practice games against England. He hasn't really done much bar a couple of List A 50s since the Bangladesh series but AFAIK there has been no FC cricket since then so we should use these practice games to guage his form. Fulton scored 66 for Canterbury the other day in a List A game batting at 4, adding to my thoery the only reason he has been out of nick is because he's been batting at six.
Flem274*
123/5
How=yes. About time should have played vs Bangladesh.
Hay should be in the frame, perhaps not in the side but looked at certainly
Grant Elliot? He's a number 6 batting allrounder is he not? Perhaps Oram will get elevated to number 5. I don't rate Elliots bowling much TBH and as a batsman I'm not sure. Sounds like they're trying to make a new Scott Styris after Jesse went and did a Jesse
Orchard=one of the most mediocre batsmen in the country. If he opens ahead of How, Bell, Papps, Guptill, heck even Cumming, the I will be furious.
Speaking of openers whatever happened to McIntosh? Back in 2003 he seemed to be on the verge of selection now he's vanished. (Not saying pick him Heath, breathe easy now).
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
The problem for Ryder and NZC now is that he's in the public eye so everything he does is going to get out in the open. He was a relative unknown before so he got away with a lot of things but he's now going to find that won't be the case.
He's either going to learn very quickly to turn himself around or he's going to completely spiral out of control.
He's either going to learn very quickly to turn himself around or he's going to completely spiral out of control.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
Just an update on England vs NZ Selection.
England were all out for 369 at stumps on Day One.
They will be disappointed with that I feel. At one stage they were 270/3.
Not the greatest bowling attack either with Gillespie returning from injury, O'Brien well documented and a couple of unknown Otago reserve players.
The test will come tomorrow when Fleming, Sinclair, Bell and Fulton line up for a bat.
England were all out for 369 at stumps on Day One.
They will be disappointed with that I feel. At one stage they were 270/3.
Not the greatest bowling attack either with Gillespie returning from injury, O'Brien well documented and a couple of unknown Otago reserve players.
The test will come tomorrow when Fleming, Sinclair, Bell and Fulton line up for a bat.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
1. There's no certainty about it. Bell's spot is assured, but Cumming would be playing in this current match if he weren't playing for Otago. Cumming failed in the first test against Bangladesh but hit back with a solid 40 in the second in his only innings. He was also only one of the few batsmen in South Africa to do anything. He should be given at least the first test to perform, before bringing in How.
2. Hay shouldn't be in the frame just yet. There's a bit of a batting backlog, and he should be behind Broom and Nicol, not to mention Taylor who i doubt will play the first test.
3. Elliott is not on the verge. He's done very little this season - he averages under 25 with the bat and about 38 with the ball last time I checked, and his FC stats as a whole are also very poor.
4. Agreed.
I doubt Elliott will make the tour of England in any form. We have plenty of bowling in the side as it currently is.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
And yet they didn't tell that to McCullum. He hasn't been in the best of form in tests, so getting some game time against England would also do him well. But guess what? He's playing for Otago, like McCullum.
Don't read too much in that (Cumming playing in the State shield).
Don't read too much in that (Cumming playing in the State shield).
Days of Grace
International Captain
Umm, how about How batting at no.3??
Thus:
Cumming/Papps
Bell
How
Fleming
Sinclair/Taylor/Fulton
Oram
This is the most interesting test selection coming up that I can remember. Basically three players I can see fighting for the no.5 spot.
I think no.5 and no.6 have to be your best attacking batsmen; either to carry on after a good foundation, or to counter-attack. Thus, I think Taylor is the most attacking batsmen of the three above and therefore I think he should be in the running for no.5. No.5 and no.6 batsmen do not have to have such a flash technique if they score runs quickly. Astle and McMillan were perfect examples.
Thus:
Cumming/Papps
Bell
How
Fleming
Sinclair/Taylor/Fulton
Oram
This is the most interesting test selection coming up that I can remember. Basically three players I can see fighting for the no.5 spot.
I think no.5 and no.6 have to be your best attacking batsmen; either to carry on after a good foundation, or to counter-attack. Thus, I think Taylor is the most attacking batsmen of the three above and therefore I think he should be in the running for no.5. No.5 and no.6 batsmen do not have to have such a flash technique if they score runs quickly. Astle and McMillan were perfect examples.
Somerset
Cricketer Of The Year
I'd say they will be very disappointed with their score, the bowling attack bar Gillespie and O'Brien, who neither have exactly gained a huge amount of popularity with their performances against decent opposition anyway, was very very average.
Shah staking a claim for test selection though, I wonder now if Vaughan and Cook will open for a middle order of Bell, KP, Collingwood and Shah.
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
nah don't think they will be that dissapointed. They would only be batting for a day anyway considering its a 2 day match. They obviously tried to score at a decent click aswell. The dissapointments would have come from Strauss and Ambrose. Even though it's a 13 man affair England didn't have the usual 'deep' batting line, it was actually lighter than the batting line up will be on Friday.
Friday's line-up will be interesting as only one of Mustard and Ambrose (hopefully Ambrose) will play and it would be pretty much a shoot out between Shah and Strauss for a place in the side.
My predicted side for Friday
Strauss
Vaughan
Bell
KP
Collingwood
Shah
Ambrose
Broad
Hoggard
Harmison
MSP
Gives Strauss another go up top whilst also giving Vaughan some time there in case. Gives Shah a chance to bat where he would be batting if selected..KP and Collingwood will obviously have to come in, but Cook doesn't really need to play. Anderson looks out of the picture at the moment whilst Sidebottom is pretty much gauranteed a spot a could get a rest. Harmison, Hoggard and MSP could do with the practice while Broad gets a chance to push his claims to be ahead of Harmison or be part of an all seam attack if needed.
