Shoaib Malik, Overrated?

[Unattainableguy]

I'm a fan of Shoaib Malik, esp the way he plays spinners, but I feel his average of 28 in FC and he's the captain is just a joke. Good ODI player, but I don't think he'll ever have success in tests, esp against fast bowlers. I really hope he gets stripped of his captaincy, and someone like Salman Butt or Misbah is made the captain.

 

[Richard]

Agree, TBH, amazed me when Malik was given the Test captaincy. Has always somewhat surprised me the Test success he's had so far, and I don't think he's a proven Test player at all.

 

[amokk1]

very poor choice. I guess it really reflects how easy it is to be the captain of Pakistan at the moment

 

[Prince EWS]

I definitely think he's a better player than his first class average of 28 indicates, but like many in this thread, I'm not entirely convinced that he's test class. I'd be interested to see his first class record in recent seasons TBH - I'd say he's improved a lot as a batsman since when he played the majority of those FC games.

 

[nightprowler10]

Agreed with this. He's definitely got the potential, as he showed in Sri Lanka, but he's not even good enough to hold his place in Tests based on his batting and now he's our captain.

 

[haroon510]

one day he is ok to captain the team but test matches yousuf or younis should be the captain..

 

[CrazY GirL]

i think hes more underrated as a batsman...hes a very good oneday plyr...and hes got the potential to prove as one of the very good captains bt in tests...i think hes quiete inexperienced i think pak shud do what india is doing...they shud giv a senior plyr the captaincy n groom malik in odis....n when he'll b ready they can giv him this

 

[Calvin]

Well to be quite honest you have to be rated as a test batsman to be over rated in the first place and Malik is not even rated as a test player let alone be over rated.

 

[shortpitched713]

I really would like to see Younis Khan given the Test captaincy. Really in retrospect, I'm almost certain that he had good reason to give up the captaincy when it was offered before, because the man does nothing but give his all for Pakistan. Maybe not the best tactician in the Champs Trophy, but further comparison with Malik makes him look like a genius and I think hes got a really good understanding of the Test game.

 

[haroon510]

I really would like to see Younis Khan given the Test captaincy. Really in retrospect, I'm almost certain that he had good reason to give up the captaincy when it was offered before, because the man does nothing but give his all for Pakistan. Maybe not the best tactician in the Champs Trophy, but further comparison with Malik makes him look like a genius and I think hes got a really good understanding of the Test game.

agree with u.. i also think he should retire from one day and pay attention to test cricket and captain the pakistani team in test matches....while i think malik is a good choice for shorter versian of the game.. he should remain captain.

 

[Prince EWS]

Well to be quite honest you have to be rated as a test batsman to be over rated in the first place and Malik is not even rated as a test player let alone be over rated.

Yeah I think Younis would make a good full-time captain as well, but he'd probably just turn it down again.

 

[FRAZ]

Agree, TBH, amazed me when Malik was given the Test captaincy.

So you suggest who it should be then ?
**** no If it's Younis . Hell no if its Yousaf Youhana !!
Then who the hell it should be . Off the ****in course it gota be Malik . No one else . People just need to go against him without even having any good choice in the mind !!

 

[FRAZ]

I'm a fan of Shoaib Malik, esp the way he plays spinners, but I feel his average of 28 in FC and he's the captain is just a joke. Good ODI player, but I don't think he'll ever have success in tests, esp against fast bowlers. I really hope he gets stripped of his captaincy, and someone like Salman Butt or Misbah is made the captain.

SO what if his record was not good initially . Mind ya he was a spinner and NOT a batsman . He had enough talent to become a specialist batsman after coming into the scene . Basically even Imran could not have brought any better result than him cuz he has such a ******** and impotent team bar Shoaib Akhtar n Afridi n some what Yousaf Youhana.
DOnt blame him . He is the best choice and I guess that he is THE future captain for Pakistan .Younis is a ****** and Yousaf Youhana hasn't got a tacticaly strong mind and Shoaib Akhtar has other issues so just leave this topic please and no need for such threads in the first place !!! Let every thing happen for itself and you can't change any thing by publishing like this on the forums .

 

[FRAZ]

i think hes more underrated as a batsman...hes a very good oneday plyr...and hes got the potential to prove as one of the very good captains bt in tests...i think hes quiete inexperienced i think pak shud do what india is doing...they shud giv a senior plyr the captaincy n groom malik in odis....n when he'll b ready they can giv him this

You are crazy , Girl !!
ha !

 

[Richard]

So you suggest who it should be then ?
**** no If it's Younis . Hell no if its Yousaf Youhana !!
Then who the hell it should be . Off the ****in course it gota be Malik . No one else . People just need to go against him without even having any good choice in the mind !!

Nah, would prefer Younis Khan TBH, even Yousuf would be a better choice. Though as said, I can quite see why Younis turned it down and indeed why he might continue to do so.

 

[Fusion]

The world must be coming to an end because I kinda agree with Fraz here. IMO, Younis doesn't deserve the captaincy after the stunts he's pulled. Sure he may have legitimate grief with selectors and players, but that's the life story of all Pakistani captains not named Imran. The way he reacted to those challenges is totally unacceptable for someone who's supposed to be the leader of the team. Look at Dravid for example. From what we know now, he had similar issues that lead to his resignation. However, he didn't make a public drama out of the situation and departed in a proper manner. I have much more respect for him than Younis.

 

[shortpitched713]

The world must be coming to an end because I kinda agree with Fraz here. IMO, Younis doesn't deserve the captaincy after the stunts he's pulled. Sure he may have legitimate grief with selectors and players, but that's the life story of all Pakistani captains not named Imran. The way he reacted to those challenges is totally unacceptable for someone who's supposed to be the leader of the team. Look at Dravid for example. From what we know now, he had similar issues that lead to his resignation. However, he didn't make a public drama out of the situation and departed in a proper manner. I have much more respect for him than Younis.

Younis is clearly the de facto leader of this team though, if not always on the pitch then definitely in the dressing room. I'd rather the management worked out their issues with him and utilize him to the team's best end then to keep him out of the captaincy because the current arrangement is hurting Pakistan's level of success in Test matches.

I also think Younis's decision was greatly affected by the unacceptable reaction in Pakistan following the team's exit from the World Cup. Given any other time I think Younis would have accepted the captaincy knowing full well the risks, but the duress he was in at the time probably affected his decision making.

 

[Fusion]

Younis is clearly the de facto leader of this team though, if not always on the pitch then definitely in the dressing room. I'd rather the management worked out their issues with him and utilize him to the team's best end then to keep him out of the captaincy because the current arrangement is hurting Pakistan's level of success in Test matches.

I also think Younis's decision was greatly affected by the unacceptable reaction in Pakistan following the team's exit from the World Cup. Given any other time I think Younis would have accepted the captaincy knowing full well the risks, but the duress he was in at the time probably affected his decision making.

I don't know if he's clearly the leader though. Supposedly he's at odds with many senior players. Wasn't that part of the reason he turned down the captaincy in the first place? Secondly, if the reaction to the WC defeat scared him, then frankly he doesn't have the strength to be the Captain of Pakistan anyway. The reaction was no worse than after any other WC (or high profile) defeat. Inzi, Wasim, Waqar, Moin, Rashid etc (heck even Imran) all went through similar backlash. Besides, what makes Younis more capable of handling the nutcases burning effigies on the streets in the future? Sorry, I want a Captain who wants to be a leader. Who's not afraid of the pressure and consequences. One who won't let the team down, even at the expense of his own ego.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

I'm a fan of Shoaib Malik, esp the way he plays spinners, but I feel his average of 28 in FC and he's the captain is just a joke. Good ODI player, but I don't think he'll ever have success in tests, esp against fast bowlers. I really hope he gets stripped of his captaincy, and someone like Salman Butt or Misbah is made the captain.

Malik has a poor FC record because he started his caeer as a bowler as a bowler otherwise he would've been averaging between 35 to 40.

 

[pup11]

I definitely think he's a better player than his first class average of 28 indicates, but like many in this thread, I'm not entirely convinced that he's test class. I'd be interested to see his first class record in recent seasons TBH - I'd say he's improved a lot as a batsman since when he played the majority of those FC games.

I agree with you because IIRC he started his international career as a genuine off-spinner and later developed his batting, but i still don't think he is test class and why he captain of Pakistan cricket team only PCB knows.