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Hussey is the best ever

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As Richard said earlier, I keep thinking that his average will come down and he'll hit a bit of lean patch but it hasn't happened so far and it makes me wonder how long it will be if/when it does happen. I think the most number of innings he has had without a score over 50 is just four, which is bloody ridiculous.
 

Mister Wright

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Richard, the 1930s is nothing short of legendary as a period of batting dominance. This is the era of 1000+ scores, triple centuries and 60+ averages, with pitches that had been prepared to a degree that removed all life from them. If there's one era you could compare to the 2000-2005 period in terms of dominance of bat over ball, the 30s is it. And that's ignoring the fact that Hussey didn't play test cricket in that period, but anyway...

If you are going to be pointlessly nostalgic and glorify the past, at least know something about it first.
Add to that any footage I've seen of Bradman and the like playing cricket, the field placings (in today's terms) were ridiculous. There were like 7 players surrounding the batsman, short cover and short mid wicket were almost constantly there, so no wonder there was plenty of room around the field for batsman to score runs.
 

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Add to that any footage I've seen of Bradman and the like playing cricket, the field placings (in today's terms) were ridiculous. There were like 7 players surrounding the batsman, short cover and short mid wicket were almost constantly there, so no wonder there was plenty of room around the field for batsman to score runs.
But also far more pressure.
 

burr

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Whoah, I thought Ponting was supposed to be the best Australian batsman since Bradman? Are you Aussies fickle in your Bradman comparsions?
And it was Hayden also at one point, at least according to SRW. There's few more tired phrases than 'best since Bradman' 8-)
 

Mister Wright

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But also far more pressure.
I guess I didn't explain my point that well. It didn't matter what the score was those fielders were still close in. I doubt you'd be feeling much pressure at 180* and continually seeing the same field.
 

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I guess I didn't explain my point that well. It didn't matter what the score was those fielders were still close in. I doubt you'd be feeling much pressure at 180* and continually seeing the same field.
And the fact that the slips cordon was generally about 10 yards back to so-called fast bowlers doesnt exactly give off the impression that most bowlers were anything other than dibbly dobblers - as I've said before, game was so different that it might as well have been a different sport
 

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I do remember Bradman himself once did dignify the fairly silly question "Would you have scored as many in modern cricket?" once. He essentially said that comparisons were tough because pitches back in his day were, aside from the stickies (which he said were fairly rare), superb for batting. He also said that the greater number of truly fast bowlers changes things too because it was rare to have three quicks and a spinner or four quicks in a side back then. Plus there's the greater planning put into bowling/fielding/field placements/fitness, etc. and he did say that no, he would not have scored as many as he did back then.

"But", said Bradman "I still would have scored more than the chap who came second."

As for the question at hand, too difficult to say for sure, too many variables to take account to come up with a definitive answer. Bradman was a freak for the time but it's widely accepted that was essentially because he had a similar professional view to his batting that most batsmen to these days in a time of amateurs. Would he stand out as much today? Who knows? I'm definitely not in the camp of those who think he had diety-like batting powers, though. He was a man just like any other. Bradman, I believe, was just far ahead of his time in his treatment of the game as being more of a profession, something to work at, not just to play.
 

bond21

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Bradman is arrogant.

Anyway, why do you give the impression that its Hussey's fault hes playing on better wickets?

He cant magically go back 100 years and play test cricket, you can only do as well as the era you play in.

Hussey is ridiculously hard to get out because he had to score 14000 first class runs to get his first game in test cricket. Probably has the best cover drive in the world too.
 

Mister Wright

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It's almost amazing to think if Langer had of been fit to face the West Indies in Hobart Hussey would have most likely have been a one test wonder.
 

The Sean

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Whoah, I thought Ponting was supposed to be the best Australian batsman since Bradman? Are you Aussies fickle in your Bradman comparsions?
There have been a few discussions on CW around that issue and Ponting certainly has his advocates, as do Border, Waugh and Harvey. The most popular choice for that mantle at this point in time though seems to be Greg Chappell. I reckon you'll find very, very few Australian cricket fans prepared yet to call Hussey anywhere near the best since The Don.

Though TBH the tone of your post suggested less an interest in the topic at hand and more a desire for a cheap shot at Australians.
 

Richard

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Mate, cricket wasn't really a full-time profession until very recently.
In Australia, in Australia, in Australia. Australia is not everywhere. In the UK, cricketers have been full-time professionals since the 19th-century. And even when cricketers are not full-time pros, the fact that they can and did still compete with said full-time pros shows quite clearly that it was not an essential trait.
 

Richard

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Sorry Richard, but this has to be one of the most ridiculous responses I've ever come across.

How the hell can you list a group of players (most with barely a handful of matches to their name) and compare to players that are world record holders and/or regarded as being amongst the best 2/3 in their country's history?
There are countless records that said players also have to their names, just not records which involve "most X". The reason for this is nothing other than more cricket being played.

And how anyone can argue that playing more = better is beyond me.
Your bias against the standards of today's cricket truly borders on the laughable
And the bias towards it of many people borders on the laughable. To even speak of it in the same breath as the 1990s and much of the 1980s and 1970s is nonsensical; to suggest it's unequivocally better than other decades is, possibly, even worse.
 

Richard

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I do remember Bradman himself once did dignify the fairly silly question "Would you have scored as many in modern cricket?" once. He essentially said that comparisons were tough because pitches back in his day were, aside from the stickies (which he said were fairly rare), superb for batting. He also said that the greater number of truly fast bowlers changes things too because it was rare to have three quicks and a spinner or four quicks in a side back then. Plus there's the greater planning put into bowling/fielding/field placements/fitness, etc. and he did say that no, he would not have scored as many as he did back then.

"But", said Bradman "I still would have scored more than the chap who came second."
He said this, remember, in the 1990s (or it may even have been earlier) - something that is perfectly conceivable.

However, I find it almost impossible to conceive that Bradman would not do even better in the 2001-current-day period than he did in the 1930s. Bowlers are even worse, and while "normal" wickets maybe no flatter, the potential of a sticky is removed.
 

The Sean

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Don't see why you took it that way tbh. I thought he made a good point
If it wasn't then fair enough - I thought it was a big, smug and unnecessary generalisation and didn't actually make a good point relative to what most knowledgable Australian cricket fans think. If he tells me it wasn't meant that way then I'll cop that.
 

Fiery

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If it wasn't then fair enough - I thought it was a big, smug and unnecessary generalisation and didn't actually make a good point relative to what most knowledgable Australian cricket fans think. If he tells me it wasn't meant that way then I'll cop that.
You Aussies are a sensitive lot ;)
 

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