Best Odi Captain

[marc71178]

marc your comments are dumb and made through jealousy or something. stop being so bias. going by your logic, it is not possible to be rated a good captain if you have a good side.

I said it's impossible to compare them because a bad captain with world beating resources will still win more often than not.

 

[marc71178]

If what you say Marc is true then the current Australian side is the most talented ODI team ever to play the game. And you would also have to agree that the current Aus ODI side is the best ODI team ever to play.

It quite possibly is - that number of consecutive wins at a time when most other sides can beat each other on any given day must say something.

 

[Scallywag]

I said it's impossible to compare them because a bad captain with world beating resources will still win more often than not.

Cant agree with that, a poorly led team will not last 70 games winning 56 of them. I think Ponting has proven he is a very good captain, especially as you say when most captains are very inconsistant at the moment.

 

[marc71178]

No, I said most teams can beat each other on any day - that says nothgin about captains.

It also says a lot about the gulf in class between Australia and the rest.

 

[Langeveldt]

Hansie used to be so impressive, although he did have the best fielding side in the world at his disposal which made him look good

Nowadays Fleming immediately comes to mind.. He seems to get 110% from his NZ players...

 

[Richard Rash]

New Zealand have a better one day record than Australia in the current calender year so what does that say about the two captians. Also you just hav to look back at the v.b series where New Zealand beat Aus 3 out of 4 times through tactical brilliance mostly. Australia were clearly the stronger team on paper yet NZ out smarted them with excellent feild placings etc. It will be interesting to compare the two captains when they go head to head in the knockout tournament coming up.

 

[Mr. P]

I said it's impossible to compare them because a bad captain with world beating resources will still win more often than not.

AAAAAH!!!! Marc through all I have said, hasn't the obvious ever occured to you?!?

I am not talking about the winning, I am talking about the fielding tactics! You CAN compare them! Just watch the game, concentrate on the captain!

 

[Mr. P]

New Zealand have a better one day record than Australia in the current calender year so what does that say about the two captians. Also you just hav to look back at the v.b series where New Zealand beat Aus 3 out of 4 times through tactical brilliance mostly. Australia were clearly the stronger team on paper yet NZ out smarted them with excellent feild placings etc. It will be interesting to compare the two captains when they go head to head in the knockout tournament coming up.

That VB series Steve Waugh was in charge. We are talking about Ponting.

 

[Scallywag]

The tactical brilliance (Bond) broke down from over use and has missed a lot of cricket.

Ponting has captained Aus v NZ 5 times for 5 wins. And like I said Ponting had his five best bowlers out for at least three of those games.

 

[marc71178]

That's not the point though, as Australia have the reserves to get over the loss of McGrath etc.

No other side has that depth that the replacement is good (except the Indians as they have a lot of pace bowlers all broadly as good as one another)

 

[Jnr.]

Or maybe the reserves were utilised well by their captain?

 

[tooextracool]

Also you just hav to look back at the v.b series where New Zealand beat Aus 3 out of 4 times through tactical brilliance mostly. Australia were clearly the stronger team on paper yet NZ out smarted them with excellent feild placings etc.

but that was with steve waugh as captain....a person who i rate as "not very good" as captain.

 

[tooextracool]

AAAAAH!!!! Marc through all I have said, hasn't the obvious ever occured to you?!?

I am not talking about the winning, I am talking about the fielding tactics! You CAN compare them! Just watch the game, concentrate on the captain!

i dont think you can make a claim that ponting is the better captain just yet.....no doubt he is very good but there isnt anything that says fleming is worse or better for that matter.

 

[Waughney]

but that was with steve waugh as captain....a person who i rate as "not very good" as captain.

please explain

 

[tooextracool]

many people say that ricky ponting is benefitted by having star players in his side, that even a chimp could lead that side and win. dont think so.....if anyone benefitted from the players rather than good captaincy it was steve waugh. dont get me wrong here....he was an inspirational player but as a tactician he was terrible. you only have to look at the test series between ind-australia in australia or even the vb series in 01 to realise that he wasnt exactly anything great.

 

[Waughney]

why was he a terrible tactician, you still haven't explained why....

 

[Will Scarlet]

Ponting's captaincy against India

I don't think that Ponting's captaincy against India in the tests was terrible. But it was a good example of how he captains with limited bowling resources though. He didn't know what to do when Laxman and Dravid got going, and merely hoped for a breakthrough. Not an easy situation though.

This is exactly the point many are making about how relatively easy it would be to captain the full (or near to full) strength Australian side for a player of his maturity and cricketing knowledge.

I'm sure over the next few years as Warne, McGrath, Gilcrist, Hayden, and Langer retire there will be ample opportunities to prove himself.

 

[Jnr.]

I don't think that Ponting's captaincy against India in the tests was terrible.

I think you mean SRW. He was skipper.

 

[Macka]

Doesn't sound like either have made an impact as far as Will Scarlet is concerned.

 

[Scallywag]

We are talking about ODI's not test matches.