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Thread: DoG's Top 100 Test Bowlers Countdown Thread 100-1

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    DoG's Top 100 Test Bowlers Countdown Thread 100-1

    Greetings,

    Some of the veteran posters here may recall five years ago I did a Top 100 Test Batsmen countdown. There were multiple threads which can be found by searching the threads started by myself.

    The project worked very well and I had tremendous feedback. Five years later (long overdue!) I have returned with the Top 100 Test Bowlers. The formula for both batting and bowling lists has been re-evaluated to my current satisfaction. Most importantly, the formula is consistent across both batting and bowling lists.

    The formula for both test batsmen and bowlers is as follows:

    Career runs/wickets, length of time, and great performances 10%
    Overall average*, strike rate*, and points per innings (PPI)** 50%
    Peak 50 innings average, strike rate, and PPI 20%
    Non-home average, strike-rate, and PPI 10%
    Quality opposition*** average, strike-rate, and PPI 10%

    * Averages and strike-rates are adjusted by era, quality of opposition, and match conditions.
    ** All innings by a batsmen or bowler are given a rating (see my top 100 test batting and bowling performances thread). The PPI is the average of all innings' performances.
    ***I have given historical ratings to all teams across all matches. Teams with ratings of 100.00 or above are seen as quality opposition.

    Average, strike-rate, and PPI are given different weight based on their perceived importance. Basically, a batsmen or bowler's points for overall, peak, home, and quality opposition consist of: ((((average*4+strike-rate*1)/5)*2)+(points per innings*1))/3

    Career points consist of (((((runs/wickets*4+length*1)/5)*4)+(gold performances*3+silver performances*2+bronze performances*1))/5

    Gold performances: Performances of 15.00+
    Silver: 12.50-14.99
    Bronze: 10.00-12.49

    Hopefully I explained that well. If anyone has any questions about the rating criteria, please feel free to ask anytime. The countdown will start presently. I will endeavor to post at least three-five players a day so it expect the greatest test bowler of all time to be revealed by mid-October.
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    Here is the relevant file for historical test team ratings.
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    No.100

    Bruce Taylor (New Zealand) 646

    Quality Points: 612
    Career Points: 34


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    Career: 1965-1973
    Wickets: 111
    Gold Performances: 1
    7/74 vs. West Indies at Bridgetown 1972 (15.24)
    Silver Performances: 2
    Bronze Performances: 1

    Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 26.12 (26.60) 49.51 (57.06) 3.76
    50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1965-1973): 24.88 47.55 3.89
    Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 23.17 43.75 4.21
    Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 32.74 59.56 2.90

    All averages and strike-rates are adjusted by era, quality of opposition, and pitch conditions. Original averages and strike-rates are given in parenthesis for overall figures. Only adjusted averages and strike-rates are given for peak, non-home and quality opposition figures.
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    Dug out the list of DoG's 100 batsmen list he is referring to: DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen - The Top 25

    PS. Please don't give this post any likes. It's all DoG's work.
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    How is the format for the Bruce Taylor post? Should I make it clearer?

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    Had anyone else literally never hears of him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    How is the format for the Bruce Taylor post? Should I make it clearer?
    Think you should add the word "Adjusted" after "Overall" in the first stat. Other than that, it's all good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ankitj View Post
    Dug out the list of DoG's 100 batsmen list he is referring to: DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen - The Top 25

    PS. Please don't give this post any likes. It's all DoG's work.
    Thanks for finding that! Just a note to readers that the Top 100 batsmen list from 2013 differs in its rating criteria from the current bowlers list. I will be posting a revised top 100 batsmen list in the near future as well.

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    Had anyone else literally never hears of him?
    Bruce Taylor is regularly seen as a contender in New Zealand alltime XIs posted by members of this forum.

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    Really?

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    No.99

    E.A.S. Prasanna (India) 649

    Quality Points: 586
    Career Points: 63


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    Career: 1962-1978
    Wickets: 189
    Gold Performances: 1
    8/76 vs. New Zealand at Auckland 1976 (16.45)
    Silver Performances: 3
    Bronze Performances: 8

    Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 29.91 (30.38) 68.10 (75.94) 4.32
    50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1968-1976): 26.07 56.38 5.44
    Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 32.64 72.65 3.92
    Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 31.48 70.62 4.13
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post
    Really?
    He may not have had a long career but his numbers stack up well against the best seamers New Zealand has produced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Career runs/wickets, length of time, and great performances 10%
    Overall average*, strike rate*, and points per innings (PPI)** 50%
    Peak 50 innings average, strike rate, and PPI 20%
    Non-home average, strike-rate, and PPI 10%
    Quality opposition*** average, strike-rate, and PPI 10%

    * Averages and strike-rates are adjusted by era, quality of opposition, and match conditions.
    ** All innings by a batsmen or bowler are given a rating (see my top 100 test batting and bowling performances thread). The PPI is the average of all innings' performances.
    ***I have given historical ratings to all teams across all matches. Teams with ratings of 100.00 or above are seen as quality opposition.
    Is "quality of opposition" the quality of the opposing team or quality of the bowling attack/batting lineup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Is "quality of opposition" the quality of the opposing team or quality of the bowling attack/batting lineup?
    Quality of the opposition team.

    For a while, I tried adjusting by quality of batting, but there were so many variables. Should I use current average or overall career average of the opposing batsmen? Should I use the batting average of the entire team or the top 7? Etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Quality of the opposition team.

    For a while, I tried adjusting by quality of batting, but there were so many variables. Should I use current average or overall career average of the opposing batsmen? Should I use the batting average of the entire team or the top 7? Etc.
    Hmm, yeah it could be complicated. But it makes more sense to consider quality of bowling attack when judging batsmen and quality of batting lineup when judging bowlers. A team with a great bowling lineup may in theory be a mediocre team if the batting is terrible but that shouldn't mean performances against that attack should be rated lower.

    You did have a "current rating" for bowling attacks which you use in the top rated batting performances list don't you?
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    No.98

    Tony Lock (England) 649

    Quality Points: 590
    Career Points: 59


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    Career: 1952-1968
    Wickets: 174
    Gold Performances: 2
    6/20 vs. West Indies at The Oval 1957 (16.79)
    7/35 vs. New Zealand at Manchester 1958 (15.18)
    Silver Performances: 3
    Bronze Performances: 5

    Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 25.42 (25.58) 65.45 (75.56) 3.78
    50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1955-1961): 19.58 57.53 4.35
    Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 33.40 81.19 3.08
    Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 40.79 96.02 2.32
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