Zimbabwean Cricket: Time for The End

[Ford_GTHO351]

Just read the news, all the 15 rebels fired.

If Zimbabwean cricket isn't already dead, then this is the final nail in the coffin.

 

[Neil Pickup]

If Zimbabwean cricket isn't already dead, then this is the final nail in the coffin.

Mixed metaphors?

I think it's closer to a final lethal injection to a cancer-ridden terminally ill patient.

 

[Sudeep]

http://www.cricketweb.net/articles/EplukukVpuHXOfqxCU.shtml

All set to get more ugly.

 

[Craig]

Now don't get me wrong here - I'm a socialist and in favour of land redistribution, but I wasn't under the impression that beatings and killings were the best way of going about these things.

While your article was good,the first part of sentatence raised my eyebrows.

I would like you to explain to me why you're in favour of land redistribution?

So is it alright that white farmers have lost their farms except without the beating and killings?

I like forward to your response.

 

[marc71178]

Which part of

"but I wasn't under the impression that beatings and killings were the best way of going about these things"

says Neil supports the methods involved?

 

[chris.hinton]

Craig was not in favour of Neil, Socialist views, he beleieve in Mugabe Polices not the way he did it

 

[Craig]

Which part of

"but I wasn't under the impression that beatings and killings were the best way of going about these things"

says Neil supports the methods involved?

I never actually said.

It was his "Land distribution comment" raised my eyebrows.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I would like you to explain to me why you're in favour of land redistribution?

Simple. I don't believe any country should be in the ownership of a rich élite with the poor underclass working below them.

 

[chris.hinton]

Rubbish Neil

That will never work you are in dream land and it will cause problems

 

[Craig]

Simple. I don't believe any country should be in the ownership of a rich élite with the poor underclass working below them.

So it should be equal among the white and blacks?

 

[Neil Pickup]

Rubbish Neil

That will never work you are in dream land and it will cause problems

How about people try reading what I write?

What will never work? I'm not aware that the current system with thousands living in slums is desperately good. The land ownership situation in Zimbabwe is a leftover from the days of colonialism and hugely unfair.

Race doesn't come into it as a matter of prinicple - however seeing as whites are majority rich landowners and the majority of slum dwellers are black, then it will be coloured that way.

 

[Slow Love™]

It was his "Land distribution comment" raised my eyebrows.

I guess this is off-topic really, but why? The Commonwealth is in favor of land redistribution - it's not that controversial a position. The problem exists with how the Zimbabwe govt has gone about it: seizing land and condoning attacks on landowners (as well as who the land is being given to). I suggest you read up on some of the history, along with the Abuja agreement.

EDIT: For those who are curious as to why land distribution in of itself is regarded as a desirable outcome for Zimbabwe (which is not to imply approval of Mugabe's strategies in seizing it), here's a quick crash course on some of the ugly history regarding the white land ownership...

http://www.ncseonline.org/NLE/CRSre...r-53.cfm?&CFID=13841936&CFTOKEN=64053608#_1_3

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2000/05/01/zimbabwe/index.html

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/zimbabwe/ZimLand0302.htm

http://www.jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/09/72001_comment.php

 

[chris.hinton]

it is slight off topic now

 

[Neil Pickup]

I guess this is off-topic really, but why? The Commonwealth is in favor of land redistribution - it's not that controversial a position. The problem exists with how the Zimbabwe govt has gone about it: seizing land and condoning attacks on landowners (as well as who the land is being given to). I suggest you read up on some of the history, along with the Abuja agreement.

EDIT: For those who are curious as to why land distribution in of itself is regarded as a desirable outcome for Zimbabwe (which is not to imply approval of Mugabe's strategies in seizing it), here's a quick crash course on some of the ugly history regarding the white land ownership...

http://www.ncseonline.org/NLE/CRSre...r-53.cfm?&CFID=13841936&CFTOKEN=64053608#_1_3

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2000/05/01/zimbabwe/index.html

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/zimbabwe/ZimLand0302.htm

http://www.jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/09/72001_comment.php

Cheers for saving me a) the research and b) the post

 

[Craig]

I guess this is off-topic really, but why?

Ok pal.

I wanted to know why Neil was in favour it.

 

[Slow Love™]

Cheers for saving me a) the research and b) the post

Heh, no problem, although from the looks of Craig's latest response, you don't get off that easily...

Ok pal.

I wanted to know why Neil was in favour it.

I honestly can't tell whether your post here is hostile or not (I'm guessing it might be), but the reason I asked you why you were so surprised by Neil's ideas on land distribution was because it implied you didn't know much about the history of this particular conflict ('cause, IMO, the reasons for redistribution are obvious). If I was incorrect in that assumption, I apologize.

 

[Langeveldt]

Yep, I agree with Land reform in Southern Africa.. The principle is spot on, but the application has been found hideously wanting in Zimbabwe and parts of South Africa... After all these areas crave, and will be hugely benifited by a black middle class emerging from the grinding poverty of the townships... With the development that has come after colonialism and during the 20th century, these people have arguably been given a bit more of a chance to escape the poverty circle... (My same thoughts apply regarding Affirmative Action)

 

[anzac]

I think many of the issues are the same whenever you are dealing with colonialism / expansionism / tribalism or any other ism you want to call it throughout history...............anywhere or anytime you have one culture / society dominating another.............

I'm not trying to say that any of it is 'right', but it is not confined to just ZIM or white v black..............and too often the 'reforms' implemented by the 'formerly oppressed' smack of payback & a case of "the ends justify the means", or more commonly known as "the pot calling the kettle black"..............

 

[Sussexshark]

That seems somewhat more feasible than the other way round!

I have to agree with everything that Neil so eloquently said in his essay. What I do wonder is, would South Africa been consigned to the wilderness - where it deserved to be because of the repugnant racist policy of apartheid - if the current ICC diktat had prevailed then? Can someone remind me whether or not there was a trade embargo in place - age befogs the memory!

Whether there was or not, politics were allowed to hold sway then. Now we have a regime that is every bit as nasty, perhaps more so and certainly a damn sight more brutal, and nobody who is in a position to do anything about it is doing so. Why? Are the politicians scared of the reaction from other African states? Why is the ICC acting like the three monkeys over this? If there was ever a rock-solid case for suspending a country then this is it. But try telling that to Mani and the rest of the ICC. As Des Wilson has said, they are totally amoral, as is anyone who supports the ICC line.

Zimbabwe must be suspended until that monster who is destroying that beautiful country is shaking hands with the Devil, Zanu-PF is destroyed and there is a respponsible government in place.

Sorry if this is so political - I hate it when politics and sport, especially cricket, collide - but what is going on in Zim, the poverty, rampant Aids, corruption, torture, you name it it's happening, puts sport very much in the shade.


Peter

Three cheers to Stuart MacGill - perhaps more players should put there heads above the parapet.

 

[Neil Pickup]

That seems somewhat more feasible than the other way round!

I have to agree with everything that Neil so eloquently said in his essay.

Welcome to CW. What an excellent first post