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    Why England don't rate Willey's batting?

    He bats at 9 or 10 which is below Adil Rashid and Plunkett and Moeen Ali who I think aren't better than him.He has got century in every format in domestic cricket and still bats too low even though he could be a good middle order batsmen or even a good finisher

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    The gap between English domestic cricket and International cricket is huge, much more so than domestic cricket in most other countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    The gap between English domestic cricket and International cricket is huge, much more so than domestic cricket in most other countries
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    The gap between English domestic cricket and International cricket is huge, much more so than domestic cricket in most other countries
    How do work that out? Ill grant you Sheffield Shield would be the strongest 1st class comp due to so few teams.......but why would CC be weaker than any of the others?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    The gap between English domestic cricket and International cricket is huge, much more so than domestic cricket in most other countries
    Lets see. I'd say the domestic-international gap for England is smaller than that for Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, New Zealand and likely South Africa (franchise).
    Funny definition of 'most' you're working with.
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    If the gap between domestic cricket and test cricket was that great in England, you wouldn't be drawing forth great England test players. Every great England player is a product of the English domestic system - even someone like the South African Jennings (partially) is. Joe Root was great for Yorkshire before he was great for England. Ben Stokes was great for Durham before he was great for England. Bairstow Etc. Even if they're picked up early, like Cook and Root, they're still products of their club's academy structures and second elevens - they're still products of school cricket, club cricket and/or minor counties cricket (if you go further to the grassroots).
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    From what I can gather, Willey is used like how Narine is used in T20s and maybe some LO games. There are some people who are good at taking advantage of field restrictions but cant really bat well either defensively or offensively when the field is spread out. If Narine is batting at the top, I dont see him batting any higher than 8 or 9 and maybe England feel the same with Willey. Rashid & Co. may be backed more to do better when the field is spread than Willey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adders View Post
    How do work that out? Ill grant you Sheffield Shield would be the strongest 1st class comp due to so few teams.......but why would CC be weaker than any of the others?
    Not sure where all the defensiveness in this thread is coming from. It's really not a dig at anyone.

    simply a result of dividing your country's talent into 16 (?) sides, which is inevitably going to lead to a lower standard.

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    International cricket is generally much higher. Just an example ofc but imagine Jack Shantry running in bowling 120kph dibbers as a legit form of attack from apparently the best northern team this season. Whereas imagine Cummins running in at you 150kph+. Doesn't Shantry have a FC100 actually? Does that mean he would bat higher for England? Of course not.

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    Division 1 is strong, Division 2 is rubbish. Willey hasn't done much with the bat in Division 1 as there is a massive gulf in class. He is a hitter in limited overs cricket up the order but England don't really need him there.
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    He's a bowler who has occasionally hacked some runs in domestic limited overs cricket. He's not as good a batsman as Rashid in the longer form, but already tends to bat above him if it's the last few overs because he's more powerful. Power doesn't always equal a good strike rate though, a swing and a miss is the least efficient way to bat and that's why Willey has only struck at 70 in ODIs.

    Seems to usually bat ahead of Plunkett, but doesn't really deserve to when you look at recent ODI batting, Plunkett has genuinely been an asset down the order.

    Comparing him to Moeen, who is a genuine top order batsman with nine hundreds and a better strike rate even in domestic cricket, is crazy.

    Impression I've got is that Willey's batting has actually been overrated by England given his performance so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    Not sure where all the defensiveness in this thread is coming from. It's really not a dig at anyone.

    simply a result of dividing your country's talent into 16 (?) sides, which is inevitably going to lead to a lower standard.
    Why do you think anyone is getting defensive? You made an ill informed comment and people called you on it....simples.
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    County Championship has been underrated in terms of its difficulty/quality for at least ten years. Probably more.

    During that time plenty of overseas players who were delivering the goods have come across for a season and have struggled or underwhelmed. A young Michael Clarke is one example that always sticks in the memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    Not sure where all the defensiveness in this thread is coming from. It's really not a dig at anyone.

    simply a result of dividing your country's talent into 16 (?) sides, which is inevitably going to lead to a lower standard.
    Eighteen and they've been split into two divisions since 2000.

    I do not really agree with your latter point either - I think it is quite the reverse infact. Firstly overseas players fill many of the teams out whereas Shield teams are exclusively Australian. Secondly, there are more opportunities (in first-class cricket) for fledgling English cricketers; cricketers of a similar calibre in Australia would surely only play in grade cricket or the second elevens? Thirdly, the better teams will gravitate to the larger more successful and historic clubs regardless - the two Londoners, Yorkshire, Lancashire, Notts - so there it is not as if you have a scenario where all the teams consist of two-three great cricketers and a bunch of rubbish ones. It is similar to a football league where you have an upper elite and minnows.

    At least players in the smaller clubs are competing against top flight cricketers. Even the minnows at the bottom of division two such as Derbyshire could find themselves playing against test players (occasionally) and (more likely) former test players, which can only improve aspiring cricketers.

    From a fan perspective, a larger number of teams means there are more localities which have a team of their own to support, and more cricket - none of that can be a bad thing -, surely?
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