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    WI Contract Crisis - Chapter: Please not again.

    Contract crisis threatens West Indies on eve of World Twenty20 | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

    Here we go again, a pity Sammy's letter is nowhere near Dwayne Bravo's level.
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    Personally I think the former agreement - that 25% of earnings from the competition go to the squad members - is unsustainable. The ICC tournaments are the major earning point for the WICB. The squad members are products of the domestic game and have to view their team as an earning tool for the entire region. And notably, the payout by the ICC has changed so that it's more stable over 4 years rather than a massive short term payout.

    The new agreement states that they still get 25% of the agreed minimum of the 4 year cycle, + any additional revenue earned directly to the players.

    That's a pretty awesome agreement for the players IMO.

    It just means they'll get less of a huge payout for the tournaments. That is a good thing.
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    $27600 each is the worst case scenario for each player. That is not acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 91Jmay View Post
    $27600 each is the worst case scenario for each player. That is not acceptable.
    for what, a 4 week tournament?

    On top of their contracted rates? With all expenses paid? I realise pay scales are relative but sheesh. I wouldnt mind that money.

    $27 000 guaranteed, with much, much more money a possibility.


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    there are going to be 35 total matches in the world t20 tournament.

    Formerly they would earn $133K. This is playing for a board which can barely play their domestic players salaries.

    I think $27K is quite fair, particularly with the potential to earn much more.

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    The numbers don't add up.

    If the net amount 'x' payable to the WICB by the ICC remains the same, and the players' cut (25%) remains the same, and the only change is the frequency of the incoming cheques, then each player should still be getting the same amount as before. I hope this isn't a case of the players unhappy that they'll have to buy their new cars on an installment plan rather than outright cash.

    If they're genuinely going to get paid less, it suggests that the WICB are either getting paid less overall for ICC tournaments than before (very unlikely) or that they're shifting around the money from ICC tournaments under various other headings to reduce their ICC tournament related payments to the players (most likely). It's shady accounting tricks.

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    Probably more angry that he didn't get an IPL contract.

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    I think the issue is less about the actual payments, but more to do with the WICB flip flopping and going back on their previous agreements again.

    The players are probably already really sick of this behaviour and aren't willing to put up with it again, especially now that they know the WICB needs them more than they need the WICB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorax View Post
    I think the issue is less about the actual payments, but more to do with the WICB flip flopping and going back on their previous agreements again.
    I don't think that's what's happened.

    The participation remuneration for a contest organized by the ICC that the players participated in was $100. They negotiated a contract with their board for a 25% cut.

    Now the ICC changed everything up and said that the boards would all still get $100, only that it would be split into $20 a year over 5 years under a different heading of "member's contribution".

    Their contract was for the splitting of participation remuneration, not member's contribution. Therefore legally the contract they signed with their board is now just a worthless sheet of paper. That participation remuneration does not exist anymore technically.

    The WICB, in a 'gesture of goodwill' says that the $20 they get this year is the legal successor to the participation remuneration thingy, and so 'honouring the previous contract', gives the players 25% of that, which is effectively $5, an ~80% reduction.

    The players could still make as much as before by continuing to feature in the teams put out by the WICB, provided they continue to receive the 20% of that ICC contribution every year in the form of annual contracts. It would now be an installment scheme instead of a lump sum payment. That would require a committment from these players to Test cricket, and not just concentrating on a single hit and giggle tournament, which might not be palatable to T20 players for obvious reasons.

    What we don't know is whether it's the T20 squad being disingenuous and hiding that fact (notice the lack of protests from the domestic players and Test specialists here), or the board refusing to pay out that remaining $80 by resorting to perfectly legal accounting tricks 101.
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    The fact is only competitive in T20.
    2nd the players don't play 50 overs or tests,rather franchise cricket.
    They only have themselves 2 blame,none of them sign Windies' national contracts.
    That said both should come to middle ground.

    Thats a hell a lot of money the players want,Windies' needs to fund its competitions and the Academy which has had nothing done for it in 3 years,no players,no nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Day Man View Post
    I don't think that's what's happened.

    The participation remuneration for a contest organized by the ICC that the players participated in was $100. They negotiated a contract with their board for a 25% cut.

    Now the ICC changed everything up and said that the boards would all still get $100, only that it would be split into $20 a year over 5 years under a different heading of "member's contribution".

    Their contract was for the splitting of participation remuneration, not member's contribution. Therefore legally the contract they signed with their board is now just a worthless sheet of paper. That participation remuneration does not exist anymore technically.

    The WICB, in a 'gesture of goodwill' says that the $20 they get this year is the legal successor to the participation remuneration thingy, and so 'honouring the previous contract', gives the players 25% of that, which is effectively $5, an 80% reduction.

    The players could still make as much as before by continuing to feature in the teams put out by the WICB, provided they continue to receive the 20% of that ICC contribution every year in the form of annual contracts. It would now be an installment scheme instead of a lump sum payment. That would require a committment from these players to Test cricket, and not just concentrating on a single hit and giggle tournament, which might not be palatable to T20 players for obvious reasons.

    What we don't know is whether it's the players being disingenuous and hiding that fact, or the board refusing to pay out that remaining $80 by resorting to perfectly legal accounting tricks 101.
    tbf I can see why a lot of the squad are annoyed that their lump sum payment is being split up over 5 years. How many of them are still going to be around playing for the next 5 years, let alone for the West Indies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorax View Post
    tbf I can see why a lot of the squad are annoyed that their lump sum payment is being split up over 5 years. How many of them are still going to be around playing for the next 5 years, let alone for the West Indies?
    IMO if it's not a case of the WICB deciding to withhold continuing payments, it's better for the health of WI cricket that way. The WI needs players to concentrate on all forms of the game consistently, not just develop their game for the formats and tournaments that provide 15 players the biggest payday. Otherwise they're just going to end up with a core bunch of mercenaries who can afford to neglect the financially less lucrative forms of the game.

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    do the wicb do new contracts everytime theyre about to get dat indian tv money or something
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    agree with some others here.

    Without reading all the literature this seems like the WICB maybe looking to support test/odi cricket and domestic cricket. They've got to do something to stop all their players leaving for T20 leagues around the world. Gayle, Sammy, all the t20 guys make a killing already. It's the likes of Kraigg Brathwaite they've got to look at who probably isn't getting paid very much. Of course it may be more cynical than that.

    Do think it would be good if they got 100% of the prize money though. Most of them are heavily about the money (which I don't blame) so make sure they're properly incentivised if your reducing their flat salary.
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