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    South African Domestic Off-Season 2015

    Thought I was due to start this and the new quota rules are clearly the major issue and it may see South African cricket suffer as it won't be great for the strength of our cricket and there will be quality white cricketers leaving the country or not getting opportunities. Key older white senior players will either be pushed out or will now look be looked at as stopping a young white cricketer from getting a chance as only 5 are allowed to play. The SA u19s are at an all-time low. Never have I seen an SA u19 side be trounced in a series but now it is 2-in-a-row in England and Bangladesh.

    Anyways signings, retirements, potential departures etc

    COBRAS

    Just Kemp wants to play one more season especially after ending it so well with a hundred he says.
    Wayne Parnell has left the Warriors & signed for the Cobras as a CSA contracted player.

    WARRIORS

    Have signed Yaseen Vallie and Clyde Fortuin from the Cobras.
    Davy Jacobs has retired from persistent injuries.

    DOLPHINS

    KNIGHTS

    LIONS

    Neil McKenzie has retired from 4-day cricket. Legend. Became 2nd South African to score a double hundred in his last FC innings.
    There was talk that Hardus Viljoen will leave to sign for Central Districts but looks to have signed a lucrative deal with the Lions.

    TITANS

    Have signed Chris Morris from the Lions & will play for his boyhood team that his father played for, for many years.
    Talk that Graeme van Buuren, Shaun von Berg are leaving for Ireland & Australia respectively.
    Roelof vd Merwe is looking to play for Holland.
    Heino Kuhn may have to retire.
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    CAPE COBRAS

    Richard Levi & Rory Kleinveldt playing for Northants.
    Amla has signed for Derbyshire.
    Philander has signed for Notts.
    Duminy & Steyn in the IPL

    CSA contracted : Hashim AMLA, JP DUMINY, Wayne PARNELL, Vernon PHILANDER, Dale STEYN

    * CSA development contracts in red

    White [Steyn]

    Andrew PUTTICK
    Richard LEVI - Northants
    Stiaan VAN ZYL
    Dane VILAS
    Justin KEMP
    Sybrand ENGELBRECHT - Netherlands Club
    George LINDE - National Academy
    Travis MULLER - National Academy

    Coloured & Asian [ Amla, Duminy, Parnell, Philander]

    Keegan PETERSEN - England Club
    Matthew KLEINVELDT - England Club
    Justin ONTONG - CPL
    Robin PETERSON - CPL
    Dane PIEDT
    Dayyaan GALIEM - SA u19
    Shaheen KHAN
    Rory KLEINVELDT - Northants
    Beuran HENDRICKS - IPL
    Dane PATERSON
    Lizaad WILLIAMS

    Black African

    Omphile RAMELA
    Lesiba NGOEPE - National Academy
    Mthokozisi SHEZI
    Mpilo NJOLOZA
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    CHEVROLET WARRIORS

    Ingram is playing for Glamorgan.

    * CSA development contracted players in red

    White

    Michael PRICE
    David WHITE - National Academy
    Colin ACKERMANN - England Club
    Colin INGRAM - Glamorgan
    Jon-Jon SMUTS
    Christiaan JONKER
    Simon HARMER - England Club
    Andrew BIRCH
    Rusty THERON - IPL/CPL

    Coloured & Asian

    Yaseen VALLIE - England club
    Ryan BAILEY
    Clyde FORTUIN - National Academy
    Daryl BROWN
    Basheer WALTERS

    Black African

    Somila SEYIBOKWE
    Luthando MNYANDA - National Academy
    Sisanda MAGALA
    Ayabulela GQAMANE
    Lundi MBANE
    Thandolwethu MNYAKA - National Academy

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    SUNFOIL DOLPHINS

    Miller, Tahir & Abbott are in the IPL

    CSA Contracted players: Dave MILLER, Imran TAHIR, Kyle ABBOTT, Ryan MCLAREN

    * CSA development contracted players in red

    White [Miller, McLaren, Abbott]

    Divan VAN WYK
    Cameron DELPORT - CPL
    Vaughn VAN JAARSVELD
    Morne VAN WYK
    Daryn SMIT - England Club
    Calvin SAVAGE - England Club
    Robbie FRYLINCK
    Daryn DUPAVILLON
    Mathew PILLANS
    Craig KIRSTEN - England Club

    Coloured & Asian [Tahir]

    Imraan KHAN
    Cody CHETTY - England Club
    Jonathan VANDIAR - Netherlands Club
    Keshav MAHARAJ - England Club
    Prenalan SUBRAYEN - England Club
    Craig ALEXANDER


    Black African

    Khaya ZONDO
    Daniel SINCUBA - National Academy
    Sibonelo MAKHANYA - SA u19
    Andile PHEHLUKWAYO - National Academy
    Tshepo MOREKI


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    CHEVROLET KNIGHTS

    Rilee Rossouw is playing IPL

    * CSA development contracted players in red

    White

    Rilee ROSSOUW - IPL
    Rudi SECOND - England Club
    Pite VAN BILJON - England Club
    Obus PIENAAR - England Club
    Werner COETSEE - Netherlands Club
    Dillon DU PREEZ
    Quinton FRIEND
    Corne DRY - England Club
    Duanne OLIVIER - England Club

    Coloured & Asian

    Reeza HENDRICKS
    Gihahn CLOETE
    Diego ROSIER - National Academy
    Gerhardt ABRAHAMS
    Michael ERLANK
    Shadley VAN SCHALKWYK

    Black African

    Tumelo BODIBE
    Letlotlo SESELE
    Lefa MOSENA
    Bokang MOSENA
    Malusi SIBOTO

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    HIGHVELD LIONS

    de Kock in the IPL
    Alviro Petersen playing for Lancashire

    CSA Contracted: Quinton DE KOCK, Aaron PHANGISO, Kagiso RABADA, Lonwabo TSOTSOBE

    * CSA development contracted players in red

    White [De Kock]

    Stephen COOK
    Rassie VAN DER DUSEEN - England Club
    Neil MCKENZIE - CPL
    Devon CONWAY - England Club
    Jean SYMES - England Club
    Dwaine PRETORIUS
    Matt MCGILLIVRAY
    Hardus VILJOEN
    Sean JAMISON

    Coloured & Asian

    Alviro PETERSEN - Lancashire
    Dominic HENDRICKS
    Shaylen PILLAY

    Black African [Phangiso, Rabada, Tsotsobe]

    Temba BAVUMA
    Thami TSOLEKILE
    Eddie LEIE
    Pumelela MATHSIKWE
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    UNLIMITED TITANS

    Rumours that Van Buuren, von Berg , vd Merwe & even de Lange looking for pastures new with Kuhn possibly retiring.
    Jacques Rudolph has retired from all SA cricket.
    Dean Elgar may sign a ST county deal.
    de Villiers, de Plessis, A.Morkel, Wiese, Morris, de Lange & M.Morkel in the IPL


    CSA Contracted: Dean ELGAR, AB DE VILLIERS, Faf DU PLESSIS, Morne MORKEL

    * CSA development contracted players in red

    White [Elgar, de Villiers, Du Plessis, M.Morkel]

    Heino KUHN
    Theunis DE BRUYN
    Aiden MARKRAM - National Academy
    Graeme VAN BUUREN - England Club
    Roelof VAN DER MERWE - CPL/Netherlands Club
    Shaun VON BERG - England Club
    Albie MORKEL - IPL
    David WIESE - IPL
    Chris MORRIS - IPL
    Marchant DE LANGE - IPL

    Coloured & Asian

    Kylin VARDHAN
    Henry DAVIDS - CPL
    Farhaan BEHARDIEN
    Qaasim ADAMS
    Tabraiz SHAMSI - CPL
    Rowan RICHARDS

    Black African

    Mangaliso MOSEHLE - Netherlands Club
    Junior DALA - National Academy
    Ethy MBHALATI
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    Cobras have signed Tshepo Moreki from the Dolphins. Interesting signing considering the already-strong Cobras attack. Obviously politically-influenced, but could be a valuable asset if Hendricks or Paterson get national call-ups
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Roelof vd Merwe is looking to play for Holland.
    Heino Kuhn may have to retire.
    Sad. I played with both of them and both decent guys and talented players. Heino the first guy I ever saw regularly practice the ramp in the nets.
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    Looks like fears of those retirements & leaving the country have been allayed but for how much longer is another question.

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    With the recent 'A' squads announced I can't say I'm too excited with the batting besides the one's in the SA set-up and Theunis de Bruyn. When I look at the SA Academy I can't say I am very excited either. I liked what I saw of Markram in the u19 WC but his Titans chances just seem to get further and further away.

    Vilas, Elgar to lead SA A squads - SuperSport - Cricket

    Besides the Faf/Prince/Petersen all the senior core batsmen over recent years broke through young & made names for themselves domestically (Smith, Gibbs, Kallis, de Villiers, Amla). Think in the current batch you can say the same about Elgar, de Kock, Rossouw, van Zyl, Miller. To a lesser extent R. Hendricks & Bavuma. Just Theunis de Bruyn is doing it now.

    You can't say the same about Cloete, Ramela, Zondo, Chetty, Delport. Very average from what I have seen from SA for years. Even in the SA Academy with Markram, White, Sincuba, Rosier, Fortuin

    It does seem to be a world wide phenomenon though. Quality, special young batsman seem to be rare.


    I think where we can get away with this in the future is if they can bat de Kock 6 & all-rounders like Calvin Savage, Andile Phehlukwayo & Dayyaan Galiem fulfill their potential. Believe they can certainly score 100s having seen them & have everything going for them as opposed to many of the young batsmen. Suppose they trying to find out more about David Wiese now after some hard yards on the domestic scene.

    Take out de Villiers, Duminy, Amla, du Plessis still got something like :

    Elgar
    R. Hendricks
    van Zyl
    Rossouw
    Bavuma
    de Kock
    Savage, Phehlukwayo, Galiem [could even play 2 of them]

    Reserve batsman: Guys like de Bruyn & maybe Markram down the line.


    They also will continue to work with Vernon Philander, Wayne Parnell & Chris Morris with their batting, even talk of Kagiso Rabada being able to contribute with the bat. Also giving McLaren another shot and probably last one at the age of 32. If succeeds great, if not a bridge to a gap possibly.

    With the spinners I will be very surprised if Phangiso isn't found out. There certainly is competition.

    Wrist-spin: Tahir, Leie
    Off-spin: Harmer, Piedt
    slow left-arm: Maharaj, Linde

    Pace-attack will be exciting over the years. We do lack left-arm quicks though which if bowled well can be really useful to any attack. We only seem to have Parnell & Beuran Hednricks.

    Pecking order:

    Steyn (32)
    Morkel (31)
    Philander(30)
    Abbott (28)
    Rabada (20)
    Morris (28)
    Parnell (26)
    McLaren (32)

    'A' side
    B. Hendricks (25)
    de Lange (25)
    Tsotsobe (31)
    Viljoen (26)
    Shezi (28)
    Paterson (26)

    Dupavillon (21)

    Age & physical well-being/endurance play an important role. How long can the first string last. Think if we go with the future & say the two left-armers find their mojo, 5 years down the line we could be looking at Parnell, B.Hendricks [both have so much to prove still & Parnell's case frustratingly so], Rabada & Daryn Dupavillon (who I rate with Rabada as the most exciting strike-bowlers) + hopefully the 3 young all-rounders come through. Would just need a successful spinner from above to balance things out.

    That hopefully is the future for SA cricket there.
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    Excellent analysis as always, SeamUp
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    CRICKET SOUTH AFRICA (CSA) will be holding a specialist spin bowling camp next week at the Powerade Centre of Excellence in Pretoria.

    “This annual camp has particular significance this year,” commented Vinnie Barnes, CSA High Performance Manager. “If one looks at our international fixture list for the second half of the year, we have the Castle Lager Proteas playing away Test Series in both Bangladesh and India while South Africa A will be playing both four-day unofficial Tests and a triangular one-day series in India.

    “Spin bowling obviously plays an important part on the sub-continent so it is important that we prepare players properly, particularly those who have little or no experience of playing in that part of the world.

    “The camp will also be attended by some of our less experienced batsmen who will be representing these various squads. Some of our Proteas batsmen have also asked to attend in preparation for the tour of Bangladesh.

    “Our under-19 squad struggled during their recent tour to Bangladesh where they will be defending their ICC World title next year so we are also involving players at this level.”

    Invited participants

    Spin bowlers: Aaron Phangiso (bizhub Highveld Lions), Ruben Klaasen (Northerns), Bjorn Fortuin (Gauteng), Tshepo Ntuli (Free State), Dane Piedt (Cape Cobras), George Linde (Cape Cobras), Shaun von Berg (The Unlimited Titans), Sean Whitehead (Free State/SA U-19), Ndudoza Mfoza (KZN Coastal/SA U-19), Tshepiso Ndwandwa (CSA Fort Hare Academy), Lizo Makhoso (EP Academy)

    Batsmen: Temba Bavuma (bizhub Highveld Lions), Rudi Second (Knights), Theunis de Bruyn (The Unlimited Titans), Omphile Ramela (Cape Cobras), Gihahn Cloete (Knights), JP Duminy (Cape Cobras), Reeza Hendricks (Knights), Rivaldo Moonsamy (Northerns/SA U-19), Dean Foxcroft (Northerns/SA U-19), Wiaan Mulder (Gauteng/SA U-19), Dayyaan Galiem (WP/SA U-19)

    Coaches

    Spin bowling: Nicky Boje, Paul Adams
    Batting: HD Ackerman, Neil Johnson
    Maharaj & Subrayen in England from the spinners. Shamsi in the Caribbean for their T20. I imagine they would have attended if in SA but Maharaj will return for 'A' duties.

    Interesting mix for the batsman too. 1 or 2 in England as well who are in the 'A' squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Will Vandiar ever live up to expectations?
    Got to be a massive doubt. He has just floated along the senior scene for sometime now & seems content. He is massively overweight & has let himself down. Playing in Holland this off-season.

    JJ Smuts, R.Hendricks, Rossouw, Pienaar, Vallie, Parnell all having better senior careers than him from same SA u19 side.

    The positive I suppose is that he is young enough to make a change. Too many nothing scores & never kicking on has been an issue, he goes down to provincial level and is then too good.
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