Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
This is factually incorrect.
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India Burnt Out?
- Thread starter JBMAC
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Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Regarding India's bowling, the biggest positive for me is Ishant Sharma's improvement over the last year. 12 months back, the pundits were writing him off. Ishant Sharma has had a fine year in test cricket. He is just 26. If he can lead India's attack over the next 4 years, it will be terrific. Yadav, I hope develops as he is a terrific athlete. Varun Aaron has the pace, but does he have the body to last? He is a few steps behind in his development still. If we have 2 out of 3 seamers set though, we will do better than many Indian teams of the past. The third seamer can always be a stock(ish) bowler. We will find our regular spinner in Ashwin or whoever can step up. I can see our bowling improve slowly, thus.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Any excuse for you to throw the word root about when it comes to Kohli
Debris
International 12th Man
Steve Smith is 25. David Warner is 28. Michael Clarke was an established test batsman by 26. Mitchell Marsh is 23 and should be well established in the side by 25 on current pace. Ganguly, Sehwag and Dravid for India were the same. All were firmly established in the side and performing well by mid 20s. You want to seriously considered if a player is any good if they are not playing well in the test side at that age. History is against them. There are exceptions but they are rare.
Players like Chris Rogers are in the Australian side because we lack batting talent, particularly openers. It is a sign of weakness.
Good from you.
Debris
International 12th Man
Dhawan 29
Vijay 30
Pujara 26
Kohli 26
Rehane 26
Sharma 27
Dhoni 33
Shami 24
Yadav 27
Sharma 26
Ashwin 28
What facts did I get wrong? They look mostly mid to late 20s to me.
harsh.ag
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Debris, the factually incorrect bit Jono was referring to (I think) is that for most test players, early 30s for a bowler and early to mid 30s for batsmen is the prime. That depends on the player's career graph obviously, but generally that's the case for a well groomed career.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Other than some seriously amazing ATGs (Sachin, Lara, Warne etc.), batsmen generally peak from between 28-34. Spinners around then too. Depending on when they debut of course.
Agree fast bowlers can peak earlier, but they also need to play a fair amount of games too.
IMO the only players who should be in the peak of their career based on age and general test experience are Dhoni, Vijay and Ishant.
Agree fast bowlers can peak earlier, but they also need to play a fair amount of games too.
IMO the only players who should be in the peak of their career based on age and general test experience are Dhoni, Vijay and Ishant.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
In seriousness though, was this just after the England/India series? If so it's just the CW way isn't it? If there's one thing this forum is hugely guilty of, it's a short termist approach to ranking current players.
harsh.ag
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Tbf, I am sure it is true for Ishant.
Gnske
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I hope you still think this is 2011, and didn't actually say that in relevance to the Indian team of 2014.
That would look very bad.
Debris
International 12th Man
Well, that is a different argument entirely. You are not arguing they are too young but that they are too inexperienced. I also was not arguing that they are bad players, just that history suggests that you should not expect their form to improve markedly. One or two will get better possibly and others will fade out of the scene but the odds are on the quality of these players remaining about the same as a group. I will leave any judgements as to whether their current form is satisfactory to you.
Leaving aside the snide insult (really? what you are?), I take a realistic look at cricket history and how players develop. This is why I only really expect Hazlewood and Mitchell Marsh to improve much. I do not hold out much hope at all for Shaun Marsh, Rogers or Watson to suddenly become great players. Just take a look at the great Indian players of the past and see how they were going by 26.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
What does this even mean? What are you referring to?
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
India don't have any batsmen that age!
Riggins
International Captain
Not me. I still think Marto is the best batsman in the world. Smitty makin a charge tho.
OverratedSanity
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I don't think any of the great Indian batsmen of the last 20 years apart from Tendulkar were doing too much better at 26 than Kohli, Pujara and Rahane are doing. Dravid was immense pretty much from the get go, but Rahane, Pujara and Kohli all average in the mid-late 40s ffs. They've had brilliant starts to their careers by any standard.
