Tom Halsey
International Coach
Sorry to be awkward, but he actually has an FC hattrick to his name.PY said:
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who is englands worst spinner
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Tom Halsey
International Coach
Yes, but Neil plays for Caistor Town, who, unless I am sorely mistaken, do not play FC cricket. :P
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
But then why would yuo even think of chosing the likes of Batty? Giles hasnt won matches or looked like winning matches in any way too. I would rather have faster bowlers troubling the batsmen than spinners trying to master batsmen good in the subcontinent.Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Langeveldt
Soutie
Why do people pipe on, calling Giles "crap" etc..
Just because someone isnt world class, a Warne or a Harbhajan, it doesnt mean they are crap.. He does a job, and very rarely bowls tripe.. Sorry just had to get that off my chest..
In that list, Schofield for me.. followed by Dawson.
Just because someone isnt world class, a Warne or a Harbhajan, it doesnt mean they are crap.. He does a job, and very rarely bowls tripe.. Sorry just had to get that off my chest..
In that list, Schofield for me.. followed by Dawson.
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Damn.PY said:
No, I am not. But he has ability with the ball, as an FC hat-trick proves.
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
It was 3 wickets in four balls :PPY said:
Did anyone see that one from Tresco in SL that went for four wides through fine leg... by 'eck...
Salamuddin
International Debutant
Is't Tufnell one of the contestants on that crazy TV program called Survivor ?
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
Takes those 16 wickets then looses it and bowls so badly in the last Test he ends with 17 wickets in the series at everything but 30...marc71178 said:
Giles just isn't an attacking force, his action stops him from turning it much and to compare him with Tuffers is an insult to the Cat. Tuffers ended with 121 wickets at 37.68 from 42 matches, Giles has 83 at 40.02 from 30 matches. Tuffers ended up with 1057 FC wickets, Giles has 437 at 29.04
As for the worst spinner in England, well it's got to be Dawson, he's just plain useless...
Shane Warne
Banned
no mark butchers offies! who remembers that in the last S.A tour?halsey said:It is at this point that I remind you that Tres bowls seam.
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Bazza
International 12th Man
Didn't check his profile but he played a test in 1996 didn't he?
I actually voted for him just because it was funny.
As has been stated, Tufnell and Giles don't belong in that list as they are clearly better than most of the others. Ian Salisbury has been a quality bowler but never had the confidence or backing to take the step up to test cricket.
As for the why play a spinner argument, because if you play 5 right arm medium fast seamers, and they prove ineffective, you're screwed. Simple.
I actually voted for him just because it was funny.
As has been stated, Tufnell and Giles don't belong in that list as they are clearly better than most of the others. Ian Salisbury has been a quality bowler but never had the confidence or backing to take the step up to test cricket.
As for the why play a spinner argument, because if you play 5 right arm medium fast seamers, and they prove ineffective, you're screwed. Simple.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Some interestingly varied comments here - one crucial thing that must be remembered - there isn't much difference between any fingerspinner, unless one is wayward and one very accurate, on unhelpful wickets.
I'd prefer not have Giles, Harbhajan, Saqlain or Tufnell in any of them.
The only way you can really judge the ability of a fingerspinner is their bowling in helpful conditions - otherwise they really are all as bad as each other.
Dawson and Batty have both played Tests and failed in helpful conditions (SCG, and both have played in the subcontinent).
I would say Giles has played on a helpful pitch in 9 of his Tests - and he's done well in all but 2 of them (Galle and Kandy 2000\01). It's important to remember, also, that not EVERY subcontinent wicket will be like the stereotype.
IMO Giles, and Croft, are just slightly inferior to the like of Saqlain and Harbhajan, because they don't bowl doosras. Neither did Tufnell, he was also amongst roughly the same group IMO, and so was Peter Such. Almost a totally forgotten bowler, but a very fine one in the right conditions.
I don't really see what this obsession with Tufnell being superior to all other English spin is - Tufnell was every bit as poor in typical English conditions as the next fingerspinner.
So basically I think England's worst spinner who has played international cricket is Dawson and Batty tied - they're both as poor as each other.
Min Patel is another who I think could be fairly effective given the right conditions, but he should never have played when he did.
Oh, and Marcus Trescothick has never bowled spin in a Test-match, I can assure all of that. Maybe he might have done on some not-unusual instance of 500 for 6 at Taunton on a hazy August day as another meaningless match petered out into a meaningless draw pre-1999.
And to those who say Giles has never produced match-winning spells - first, remember that that term is a wholly unreliable one, but also remember that Giles has made a contribution, a big one, to the winning of one of the most memorable English victories ever - at Karachi in 2000\01.
Anyway, matches won ratios don't say anything about a player's ability - his record does that.
I'd prefer not have Giles, Harbhajan, Saqlain or Tufnell in any of them.
The only way you can really judge the ability of a fingerspinner is their bowling in helpful conditions - otherwise they really are all as bad as each other.
Dawson and Batty have both played Tests and failed in helpful conditions (SCG, and both have played in the subcontinent).
I would say Giles has played on a helpful pitch in 9 of his Tests - and he's done well in all but 2 of them (Galle and Kandy 2000\01). It's important to remember, also, that not EVERY subcontinent wicket will be like the stereotype.
IMO Giles, and Croft, are just slightly inferior to the like of Saqlain and Harbhajan, because they don't bowl doosras. Neither did Tufnell, he was also amongst roughly the same group IMO, and so was Peter Such. Almost a totally forgotten bowler, but a very fine one in the right conditions.
I don't really see what this obsession with Tufnell being superior to all other English spin is - Tufnell was every bit as poor in typical English conditions as the next fingerspinner.
So basically I think England's worst spinner who has played international cricket is Dawson and Batty tied - they're both as poor as each other.
Min Patel is another who I think could be fairly effective given the right conditions, but he should never have played when he did.
Oh, and Marcus Trescothick has never bowled spin in a Test-match, I can assure all of that. Maybe he might have done on some not-unusual instance of 500 for 6 at Taunton on a hazy August day as another meaningless match petered out into a meaningless draw pre-1999.
And to those who say Giles has never produced match-winning spells - first, remember that that term is a wholly unreliable one, but also remember that Giles has made a contribution, a big one, to the winning of one of the most memorable English victories ever - at Karachi in 2000\01.
Anyway, matches won ratios don't say anything about a player's ability - his record does that.
Damien Martyn
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whats the point of this not many people will know about the pom cricketer
Mr Mxyzptlk
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Considering that there are many English folk on this forum... :rolleyes: