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    Best Bowling Unit of All Time

    This isn't a thread about best bowling line up filled with ATG bowlers but real life bowling units. I'm relatively young compared to most in here and my knowledge is limited a bit from around 70 onwards, and in that time I would say the best units I have known about or seen would be :

    WI : Andy Roberts, Michael Holding, Colin Croft and Joel Garner with Malcolm Marshall being added later in place of Croft
    WI : Ian Bishop, Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh and Patrick Patterson
    Pak : Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Imran Khan, Aaqib Javed
    Pak : Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Saqlain Mushtaq, Shoaib Akhtar
    Aus : Glenn Mcgrath, Jason Gillespie, Shane Warne, Brett Lee
    Aus : Dennis Lillee, Jeff Thomson, Max Walker
    SA : Shaun Pollock, Allan Donald, Makhaya Ntini, Jacques Kallis, Lance Klusener
    SA: Dale Steyn, Mornie Morkel, Vernon Philander and Jacques Kallis

    I think these are the top ones I can remember from last 40 odd years. Which ones would be from the generations before this and which one would you have as the best of all time? Remembering that this is about a particular unit that played a considerable amount of tests together with at least one constant partnership even if say the fourth bowler was rotated.

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    Lindwall, Miller, Davidson, Benaud, McKay- maybe played together

    CTB Turner and JJ Ferris

    Trueman, Statham, Bailey, Lock, Laker- maybe played together
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    Not claiming this lot to being up there with those mentioned so far, but Harmisson, Hoggard, Flintoff, Jones and Giles were pretty special.........for a (very) brief time.

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    McGrath/Gillespie/Warne/Lee definitely the best imo. Lindwall/Miller/Johnston would've played together a fair amount.
    Last edited by Coronis; 22-05-2014 at 12:14 AM.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath


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    According to the book 'Masterly Batting' the highest rated bowling units of all time were Trueman-Statham-Bailey-Laker-Lock and the first WI option on the list.
    Sunil Gavaskar – Len Hutton – Don Bradman – Garry Sobers – Viv Richards – Keith Miller – Imran Khan – Jock Cameron – Richie Benaud – Malcolm Marshall – Bill O’Reilly

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    Holding, Roberts, Croft, Garber
    Marshall, Holding, Garner, Roberts/ Walsh
    McGrath, Gillespie, Lee, Warne
    Trueman, Statham, Laker, Locke
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adders View Post
    Not claiming this lot to being up there with those mentioned so far, but Harmisson, Hoggard, Flintoff, Jones and Giles were pretty special.........for a (very) brief time.
    None of them exceptionally great, but bowled as a pack and bowled to a plan in 2005. Good amount variety among them too, each was different enough to make things difficult for Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Trueman, Statham, Laker, Locke

    (How often) did Frank Tyson bowl with Trueman, Statham, and Laker?

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    Asif, Amir, Gul and Ajmal. They only played 2 matches together but I think if Amir and Asif had not cheated this bowling unit would be one of the best.
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    Yeah, look, it gives me a pain deep inside my uterus to admit it, but it's Ajmal until such time as we get a working throwing law again.
    Never in a million years would I have thought Brumby to admit this!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    None of them exceptionally great, but bowled as a pack and bowled to a plan in 2005. Good amount variety among them too, each was different enough to make things difficult for Australia.
    Agree that none would ever be considered "great" but tbf whilst 2005 may have been the pinnacle.......they were very very good for over 12 months before that.

    But yeah, on reflection they don't really belong in this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Pilch View Post
    (How often) did Frank Tyson bowl with Trueman, Statham, and Laker?
    Tyson and Trueman bowled together in just 4 Test matches during 1958/59. England lost both matches against Australia, and then had a win and a draw against NZ. Their figures for those 4 matches were;

    Trueman: 13 wickets at 25.76

    Tyson: 9 wickets at 32.11

    So no, Trueman, Tyson and whoever were never a 'unit' of any consequence. This is because Tyson's knees were probably giving up by 1958/59. Why the English selectors didn't play them together earlier is a question that they would have to answer. Seems myopic to me.
    Last edited by watson; 22-05-2014 at 04:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adders View Post
    Agree that none would ever be considered "great" but tbf whilst 2005 may have been the pinnacle.......they were very very good for over 12 months before that.

    But yeah, on reflection they don't really belong in this discussion.
    As a unit in that 1 year spell they bowled as well as any attack I've ever seen. As did Anderson, Broad, Bresnan, Swann for a couple of months in 2010. Well, more accurately 4 matches against us. And they too had great variety... Conventional swing, pace, seam, one who could get it to bounce awkwardly and a high quality spinner. Shame Bresnan fell away

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    In this order.

    1. Marshall-Holding-Garner-Roberts.
    2. Roberts-Holding-Garner-Croft.
    3. McGrath-Gillespie-Lee-Warne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Kopite View Post
    In this order.

    1. Marshall-Holding-Garner-Roberts.
    2. Roberts-Holding-Garner-Croft.
    3. McGrath-Gillespie-Lee-Warne.
    Yeah. Marshall-Holding-Garner-Roberts would have any test opener ****ting their daks.

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    Marshall-Holding-Garner-Roberts wasn't really a unit for long. Marshall's breakthrough came in 1983 in India which was Roberts' last series.

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