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    Associate Draft - Voting Thread

    They said it couldn't be done. They said we would never have heard of all the players. But it went swimmingly. There were a couple of early casualties, but the draft was completed with the minimum of fuss.

    So, do you prefer the legend of the Gentlemen of Philadelphia, or do you think they were too cheesy? Would you prefer to see the CW Legendary Ryan ten Doeschate or the O'Brien Brothers in your Associate Line-up?

    These teams are all set to contest a set of 5 day first class matches to determine who's the best.

    If you're unsure of who some of the guys picked are, you can find some brief pen-portraits in the Draft thread (Associate Draft)

    Otherwise, get voting.

    We'll go for a 3 - 2 - 1 system.

    Your favourite team gets 3 points, 2nd gets 2 and 3rd gets 1. I'll tot up the results to see who the ultimate winner is.

    Brockley's xl

    Tom Cooper
    Stephan Myburgh
    Wesley Baressi
    M Swart
    P Gillespie C)
    T Odoya VC)
    J Mooney
    Mudhassar Bukhari
    Peter Seelaar
    A Mcbrine
    P Ongondo

    Camo XI

    P Cantrell 6
    John Davison 5 (Canada)
    M Machan 7
    Andy Pycroft (Zimbabwe)
    I Talebulamainavaleniveivakabulaimainakulalakebalau (Fiji)
    Gary Wilson (ireland)
    Joe Scuderi 4 (Italy)
    Roland Lefebvre 1 (Netherlands)
    Dwayne Leverock 3 (Bermuda)
    *+Jerone Smits (Netherlands)
    Dawlat Zadran 2 (Afghanistan)

    Morgieb XI

    1. William Porterfield* (Ireland)
    2. Kyle Coetzer (Scotland)
    3. Derrick de Saram (Ceylon)
    4. Brian Davison (Rhodesia)
    5. Andy Waller (Zimbabwe)
    6. Kevin Curran (3) (Zimbabwe)
    7. Neil Maxwell (4) (Fiji)
    8. Ashish Bagai (+) (Canada)
    9. George Dockrell (5) (Ireland)
    10. Paul-Jan Bakker (2) (Netherlands)
    11. Ole Mortensen (1) (Denmark)

    BFP XI

    1. Arshad Ali (U.A.E.)
    2. Saqib Ali (U.A.E.)
    3. David Hemp (Bermuda)
    4. Steve Tikolo* (Kenya)
    5. Niall O'Brien (+) (Ireland)
    6. Andrew White (6) (Ireland)
    7. Kevin O'Brien (4) (Ireland)
    8. Christi Viljoen (3) (Namibia)
    9. Tim Murtagh (2) (Ireland)
    10. Hiren Varaiya (5) (Kenya)
    11. Hamid Hassan (1) (Afghanistan)

    Prince EWS
    1. Kevin Arnott
    2. Mohammad Shahzad
    3. Khurram Khan
    4. Dave Houghton
    5. Maurice Odumbe
    6. Neil McCallum
    7. Aminul Islam
    8. Rahmat Shah
    9. Trent Johnston
    10. Eddo Brandes
    11. Clem Gibson

    Heef's XI

    Code:
    					Bat		Bowl			Nationality
    1. James Aitchison 			2,786 @ 32.77				Scotland
    2. Ravindu Shah				1,623 @ 49.18	(RMF) 5 @ 33.60		Kenya
    3. Brian Hardie				18,103 @ 34.22	(RM) 3 @ 84.66		Scotland
    4. Craig Williams (7)			4,970 @ 39.76	(RM) 89 @ 36.49		Namibia
    5. Gerrie Snyman (6)			4,100 @ 39.04	(RFM) 68 @ 38.27	Namibia
    6. Ryan ten Doeschate (5)		6,426 @ 46.90	(RMF) 182 @ 33.90	Netherlands
    7. Stuart Robertson (+)			4,343 @ 33.15	(112 dismissals)	Rhodesia
    8. Mohammad Nabi (4)			1,048 @ 26.87	(ROS) 61 @ 24.60	Afghanistan
    9. Duncan Fletcher (1)			4,095 @ 23.67	(RFM) 215 @ 28.03	Rhodesia/Zimbabwe
    10. Jimmy Allan (3)			4,988 @ 22.36	(SLA) 435 @ 25.69	Scotland
    11. Peter Rawson (2)			1,976 @ 20.80	(RFM) 257 @ 23.90	Zimbabwe
    Fred's Fertangs

    1.Jeremy Bray
    2.John Kerr
    3.Ivan Anderson
    4.Clive Inman
    5.+Tom Brierley
    6.*Gamini Goonesena
    7.Bart King
    8.Alec O'Riordan
    9.Dermott Monteith
    10.Soren Henriksen
    11.Tommy Kelaart
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    Having heard of under half these players.

    1. Fred
    2. Brockley
    3. Pews

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    I'm voting as follows (obviously excluding my own line-up)

    1. Cribb
    2. BFP
    3. Morgie

    I've probably rated Fred's team a bit harshly as some of his players are unknown quantities. In Cribb's team, only Gibson would be a player who I'd have no idea on how good they actually are. His middle order is superb for this level, and I like his bowling attack. I think his big weakness will be an inability to trouble opposition batsmen on flat wickets as his attack doesn't really have much x-factor, but that is something lacking in Associate cricket in general. BFP has Murtagh and Morgie has Mortensen to provide a bit of that, and Morgie has Curran as the pivot to his team, which is a fantastic pick. Camo is a bit unlucky too, but I think some of his picks (e.g. Lefebvre) have more cult status than they have quality. I don't like to be harsh, but Brockley's line-up looks the worst to me by some considerable distance.


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    1. morgieb
    2. Prince EWS
    3. Heef


    Apologies to BFP.

    Big fan of morgieb's bowling line-up; Mortensen was gun, PJ Bakker impressive from the little I've read and Maxwell/Dockrell have performed in FC cricket above the Associate level. Meanwhile Kevin Curran is a gun. Furthermore, his team bats very deep with Bagai at 8. I reckon he's messed up the batting order (Bagai should be batting ahead of Maxwell, at the very least), but his middle order looks strong even if, IMO, Coetzer is a weak link at the top.

    I felt PEWS' XI was arguably more well-rounded than morgieb's, but didn't quite have the same quality. I don't see a weak link, but the guns aren't quite as gun as morgieb's IMO. Arnott and Houghton in the same team is pretty ridiculous in this draft, but Odumbe, McCallum and Aminul aren't nearly as strong as Waller/Curran/Bagai IMO. I like the selection of Rahmat - really inspired pick IMO, while Johnson/Brandes is an experienced, if not world-beating, bowling attack. I don't know much about Gibson but he sounds pretty good. Only fractionally behind morgieb.

    I think BFP's XI has a better top 4 than Heef's, mostly because I'm more familiar with the players, but Heef jumps well ahead in the depth stakes - the team bats to 11 and has 7 quality bowling options. I don't know why I'm voting against an opening pairing of Murtagh/Hassan - it's simply gun - but I don't really rate Andrew White or Kevin O'Brien, so it's basically RtD edging it for Heef's team. Really, really like Rawson/Fletcher/Allan in there, even if Nabi/RtD/Snyman/Williams aren't exactly specialists. I reckon the first 3 will be good enough at this level to carve up - especially Rawson.
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    I really don't know enough to vote.

    Just wanna vote for Cammo though because Ilikena Lasarusa Talebulamainavaleniveivakabulaimainakulalakebalau is such an amazingly ridiculous name "which apparently means "returned alive from Nankula hospital at Lakemba island in the Lau group" according to a cricinfo- great stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    I think BFP's XI has a better top 4 than Heef's, mostly because I'm more familiar with the players, but Heef jumps well ahead in the depth stakes - the team bats to 11 and has 7 quality bowling options. I don't know why I'm voting against an opening pairing of Murtagh/Hassan - it's simply gun - but I don't really rate Andrew White or Kevin O'Brien, so it's basically RtD edging it for Heef's team. Really, really like Rawson/Fletcher/Allan in there, even if Nabi/RtD/Snyman/Williams aren't exactly specialists. I reckon the first 3 will be good enough at this level to carve up - especially Rawson.
    I would have opted for Mallie Jarvis over Nabi, but I didn't want my bowling line-up dominated by Zimbaweans. Shame, as I think he would have 'improved' my team, and I could easily have afforded to whack him down at #11 without any issues.

    I think Jimmy Allan and Tendo are my stars and as I said in the draft thread, Aitchison must have been pretty decent to score a ton against the touring Australians.

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    Out of curiosity, why Tendo at 6? Could easily bat at 4 or 5 in that side, and I would have thought Snyman was the perfect #6 in terms of belting the crap out of bowlers while batting with the tail.

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    Having chewed it over a little bit. I'm going Heef 3 points, Brockley 2 points and then BFP 1 point. Its Odoyo not Odoya.
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    This might be the first voting thread on CW where I can honestly say I have no clue whatsoever. Guys like Bart King and Sathasivam and the more established associate players I can assess, but 60% of the players I know nothing about.
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    Morgie
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    1. Heef
    2. Crabb
    3. BFP

    Don't rate Brockley's side and don't know enough about Fred's side. Camo somewhat unlucky but I think there's enough holes there to miss out.

    Heef's bowling attack looks pretty juicy and his batting order has a lot of depth, so I think he did the best. Crabb narrowly behind, but Shah is still pretty untested and I have NFI about Gibson so I just don't think his bowling has the depth. BFP's strengths are probably the best - 2 really good middle-order bats and a gun opening pair, but the average all-rounders set it back slightly and I'm a little unfamiliar with the UAE openers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Out of curiosity, why Tendo at 6? Could easily bat at 4 or 5 in that side, and I would have thought Snyman was the perfect #6 in terms of belting the crap out of bowlers while batting with the tail.
    Just in terms of workload management, with 2 spinners Tendo will have to shoulder a reasonable bowling workload whereas Snyman probably won't. If I had gone for Jarvis then he would have batted 5, Snyman 6. Small detail, I know.

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    If you haven't heard of some of the players, read the draft thread. There's a reasonable amount of detail about some of the selected players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    If you haven't heard of some of the players, read the draft thread. There's a reasonable amount of detail about some of the selected players.
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