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Unquestionably at least the second best all rounder to walk the earth. What a gun. Always said for much of his career that he was the most underrated player getting around.
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Kallis retires from Tests
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harsh.ag
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Yeah, we never looked like getting him out. I remember a weight used to settle in my heart whenever he batted against us, and I hoped the others would get dismissed around him. Even in this test, we needed a very bad decision to get him once he had settled down
Great player. Great batsman. Really wish he wins the WC. For the first time in 2015, I will be rooting for someone other than India to win it. That is not to say I will not be rooting for India more.
GuyFromLancs
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2nd? Really?
Considering he's like Sobers but with less natural talent, you rate him as a better allrounder than the big 4 of the 80s?
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Not sure what's so hard to understand about the word 'unquestionably' itbt.
The only way you can rate any of the group from the 80's better than Kallis is if you look back with rose tinted glasses. Kallis as an all rounder was so much more prolific. Only Sobers is ahead.
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Kallis "unquestionably" better than Imran? Nah
steds
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Seconded. Maybe the rest.
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Unquestionably.
GuyFromLancs
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Kallis wouldn't get into the SA team as a bowler. All the 80s crew in their peaks would get in their teams as either. Even Hadlee as a batsman at one point
That's the bottom line in allrounder stakes
SeamUp
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We talk about the 4 great all-rounders of the 80's but Clive Rice was arguably as good as, if not better as the all-round package than those four. He 'proved' it by winning 3 of the 4 comps between the 5 in the 80's and Rice has unequivocally said that Kallis battles Sobers for the greatest all-rounder.
Honourable mentions to Keith Miller, Trevor Goddard, Eddie Barlow, Mike Procter, Brian McMillan, Shaun Pollock, Chris Cairns and Andrew Flintoff when it comes to seam bowling all-rounders post WWII.
But in any case, we've seen how rare the quality all-rounder is so I've always tried to stay away from ranking them.
Honourable mentions to Keith Miller, Trevor Goddard, Eddie Barlow, Mike Procter, Brian McMillan, Shaun Pollock, Chris Cairns and Andrew Flintoff when it comes to seam bowling all-rounders post WWII.
But in any case, we've seen how rare the quality all-rounder is so I've always tried to stay away from ranking them.
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Honestly not sure if you truly believe kallis is way better than Imran and co, or if you're confused between "unquestionably" and "arguably"
GuyFromLancs
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Early Botham beats Kallis as an allrounder.
An allrounder is just that. A guy who wins matches with bat AND ball.
SeamUp
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I've certainly seen Kallis take five-fors in test cricket and ODI cricket in my time. When he has needed to do so he has stepped up with the ball. It is just that so much of the damage was done or that he wasn't even required.
When Mark Boucher is asked about the best spell of bowling and the quickest he kept to he could have said Pollock, Donald, Ntini , Steyn, Morkel, Philander and the likes but he constantly reminds us of the 1999 CWC against Sri Lanka at Northampton where he bowled outswingers at high pace and took wickets and that was the hardest anyone has hit his gloves. The umpires that day saw to it.
Kallis is a unique cricketer. A true all-rounder who averages not much off Anderson, Borad, Flintoff and the likes. He has bowled at different stages in different conditions and tested in different circumstances and that is a definite over a 165 test match career.
This is wrong:
1. His last test is not in Newlands, who cares about identity confused Kingsmead crowd?
2. He's a few wickets from 300
3. He looked good in his last innings
4. He's a few catches from Dravid record
5. I really believed he could still get to 50 test centuries
This is the most unexpected news. He must be pushed or the booing crowd at Wanderers killed his spirit. I wish he played for England, Aus or India and he could have got the credit that he deserves.
1. His last test is not in Newlands, who cares about identity confused Kingsmead crowd?
2. He's a few wickets from 300
3. He looked good in his last innings
4. He's a few catches from Dravid record
5. I really believed he could still get to 50 test centuries
This is the most unexpected news. He must be pushed or the booing crowd at Wanderers killed his spirit. I wish he played for England, Aus or India and he could have got the credit that he deserves.
GuyFromLancs
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Kallis is a great cricketer alright!
But not a true allrounder. Averages aside, less than 2 wickets a match ain't enough. I'd prefer him if he took 3 per match and averged 44 with the bat.
Xuhaib
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well Afridi is still around
CricAddict
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Or catches..THE best..We are lucky to have been in the same era..
silentstriker
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Kallis is nowhere near the quality of Miller or Imran, let alone Sobers. But that doesn't mean he wasn't an excellent player. As a batsman, I'd put him a little bit below Dravid, or thereabouts. As an overall player, he was better.