And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
yeah no, that's not what i said. becoming the best is definitely the players responsibility and it is all on them to get out there and learn and improve, but part of doing that is finding someone who knows a lot more than you and becoming their annoying second shadow.
it's really hard to learn anything without someone watching you looking for things to improve on and telling you how to improve on them. all those guys you name would have had people watching them and helping them.
"The Australian cricket captain is the Prime Minister Australia wishes it had. Steve Waugh is that man, Michael Clarke is not." - Jarrod Kimber
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well no ****ing **** sherlock, when did i ever say putting advice into practice wasn't the real challenge?
but in the first place you need the right people around you to listen to and put into place their ideas.
and if lillee really was self made and never ever ever ever ever got some coaching between the ages of 0-retirement, he achieved greatness in spite of, not because of, his lack of coaching, and i guarantee you he studied his art pretty bloody hard to get himself up there.
So you are telling me that if Marshall was around the WI side dishing out a few bowling tips then the WI would have the greatest bowling line up in the world? There is nothing stopping the WI from getting bowling advice from top bowlers around the world. It wouldn't matter because that isn't the problem. Just admit it.
I don't think anyone is suggesting Dennis Llillee never, ever got any coaching
But as I said above, during Lillie's time at the top the Australian team didn't have a coach. Let alone a specialist bowling coach.
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but by all means, stick your head in the sand and pretend coaching has no say in how good a cricketer turns out, because we all know what an amazing batsman afridi is for refusing to learn anything ever.
Troy Cooley is probably the guy you are thinking of. David Saker is of course the current bowling coach.
ffs, look, my point is that no matter how hard you work, having the best coaching available to help you makes everything a million times easier.
you suggested marshall wouldn't have made one iota of difference, and i think that is blatantly not true.
I never said Marshall wouldn't have made an iota of difference. In Afridi's case that is true though
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