And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
at home, 63 vs IND, 32 vs SL if nit picking is the name of the game.
Member of the Sanga fan club. (Ugh! it took me so long to become a real fan of his)
Anyway, whether a player's record is perfectly complete doesn't discount him from being a big match-winner IMO. I was simply showing that McGrath is not perfect himself.
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It's funny when we talk about averaging 30 as a bowler as a negative. It's about neutral imo
It's not that he only averaged 30+ but that he struck very poorly (70s and 80s IIRC).
Back on topic, McGrath definately for me with Ponting right behind, after that Warne and Gilchrist in no particular order. Your key players are generally your opening bowler and you dominant batsman (normally #3, sometimes #4) and McGrath generally took on and out the top guns/order from the opposition and generally set up Warne to finish off proceedings. Ponting on the other hand was often sheltered by Hayden and Langer above and buffered below by Gilchrist ect below. That tips it for McGrath for me over Ponting.
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
Can't believe I am the only one who picked Gilly. His contributions in almost all of Australia's great victories during 1999-2004 is never been seen before or since for a WK. It is no coincidence that Australia's true dominance all over the world started with his entrance to the team. Obviously his batting tailed off after 2005 though.
Sometimes I think that we set the bar too high because we spend too much time ogling at Marshall, Imran, and Hadlee.
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Fred Spofforth, 'The Demon Speaks'The figures Sir Home Hordon has shown me of what Grace did in matches against me, 37 innings, 1042 runs, 28.16 average, considerably less than his general average, hears out my theory that I never had any particular difficulty in getting him out. I clean bowled him seven times, ACM Croome says that WG told him that on any wicket he never knew when I should bowl him. This may have been due in part to my artfulness......
But how do you justify Marto being a bigger match-winner than Punter and Gilly? Quite curious.
As an aside, I was going to point out that Australia had no discernible problems while Warne was banned for 1 year from Feb 03 to Feb 04, but then I saw that they only played Zim, Bang and SL in that period - <Potential for great cricket experiment down the drain>.
They won the WC easily enough, though of course that shouldn't be given much of a weight.
~ Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference ~
Reckon the guys who participated might hold a different view.
And I agree with TC, the WC should have some bearing and Marto's 88* with a shattered finger was maybe the greatest ODI knock of all time.
Hayden went through a period where he was the best player in the world. During that time he bullied opposition into submission, and by the time he was out their backs were broken and the rest of the batting order were left to pick at the carcus.
Bloke is a grade A cock, but he was phenomenal when on. Reckon he played his part in winning Australia plenty of matches.
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