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    DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen - 100-75

    Apologies for the delay. Busy couple of days at work. I will attempt to give you five players at a time and open the thread up for comment, debate, wailing, ranting, etc.

    A quick information on how the points are tallied: players get points for:
    Quality Points, such as their career average, away average, centuries per innings, etc.
    Career Points, such as number of centuries scored, career length, etc. The career points max out at 150, which will come into play as we get further up the list.
    Peak Points, which is the points from a player's 25 and 50 test match peak periods.

    Finally, if there is an * mark next to the away or top opposition average, then that batsmen has played less than 10 matches in that particular segment of his career, and his points are deducted accordingly.

    Without further adieu, let's kick off with one of the underrated batsmen who represented England so well in the absence of Boycott...


    100: Dennis Amiss (England) (1966-1977)

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    Career Average:
    46.30
    Adjusted career average: 43.48
    Adjusted away average: 50.04
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 36.73
    Top Tier centuries: 0
    Second tier centuries: 5
    Third tier centuries: 3
    Significant innings: 13
    Significant innings per match: 0.26
    Great innings: 2
    Innings worth average: 2.85

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 56.75
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 43.48

    Quality Points: 504
    Career Points: 51
    Peak Points: 109
    TOTAL POINTS: 664



    99: Michael Slater (Australia) (1993-2001)

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    Career Average:
    42.83
    Adjusted career average: 42.14
    Adjusted away average: 35.43
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 41.28
    Top Tier centuries: 1
    Second tier centuries: 1
    Third tier centuries: 11
    Significant innings: 27
    Significant innings per match: 0.36
    Great innings: 1
    Innings worth average: 2.81

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 51.23
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 46.60

    Quality Points: 499
    Career Points: 56
    Peak Points: 110
    TOTAL POINTS: 665




    98: Polly Umrigar (India) (1948-1962)

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    Career Average: 42.22
    Adjusted career average: 43.92
    Adjusted away average: 46.19
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 39.88
    Top Tier centuries: 2
    Second tier centuries: 3
    Third tier centuries: 3
    Significant innings: 10
    Significant innings per match: 0.17
    Great innings: 1
    Innings worth average: 3.21

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 53.28
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 47.02

    Quality Points: 498
    Career Points: 54
    Peak Points: 114
    TOTAL POINTS: 666



    97: Bobby Abel (England) (1888-1902)

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    Career Average: 37.20
    Adjusted career average: 54.51
    Adjusted away average: 96.97*
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 40.01*
    Top Tier centuries: 0
    Second tier centuries: 0
    Third tier centuries: 1
    Significant innings: 6
    Significant innings per match: 0.46
    Great innings: 0
    Innings worth average: 3.37


    Quality Points: 619
    Career Points: 19
    Peak Points: 29
    TOTAL POINTS: 667




    96: Patsy Hendren (England) (1920-1935)

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    Career Average: 47.63
    Adjusted career average: 44.49
    Adjusted away average: 47.84
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 38.83
    Top Tier centuries: 1
    Second tier centuries: 1
    Third tier centuries: 3
    Significant innings: 14
    Significant innings per match: 0.27
    Great innings: 1
    Innings worth average: 3.17

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 48.54
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 44.78


    Quality Points: 509
    Career Points: 51
    Peak Points: 109
    TOTAL POINTS: 669
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    Good to see Polly Umrigar breaking through top 100
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    It's interesting that Dennis Amiss has zero 'Top Tier Centuries'.

    Yet his second innings 262 at Sabina Park (1974) to save the Test match seems Top Tier to me given the circumstances.

    2nd Test: West Indies v England at Kingston, Feb 16-21, 1974 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo


    His 203 at The Oval (1976) also seems Top Tier. Admittedly England lost the Test match, but the bowling attack did feature Holding, Roberts, Daniel, and Holder.

    5th Test: England v West Indies at The Oval, Aug 12-17, 1976 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo


    So I guess I was wondering - how can a 'Great Innings' (Amiss has 2) not also be a 'Top Tier Century' (Amiss has 0)? Seems odd.
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    Top tier means that the century was scored against top tier opposition. Neither the West Indies of 1974 nor 1976 were top tier, although the 1976 side was close to being so.

    But they were great innings, in that their ratings are both above 12.50.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Top tier means that the century was scored against top tier opposition. Neither the West Indies of 1974 nor 1976 were top tier, although the 1976 side was close to being so.

    But they were great innings, in that their ratings are both above 12.50.
    Well, I have nothing against the criteria being suitably draconian. That's probably a good thing.
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    a lot of unknown quantities will appear on the list (or rather long forgotten ones). At least it will be a bit of a hit to my modern biases
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    95: Ian Chappell (Australia) (1964-1980)

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    Career Average: 42.42
    Adjusted career average: 41.60
    Adjusted away average: 43.00
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 38.37
    Top Tier centuries: 3
    Second tier centuries: 3
    Third tier centuries: 8
    Significant innings: 26
    Significant innings per match: 0.35
    Great innings: 0
    Innings worth average: 2.87

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 51.53
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 45.60


    Quality Points: 485
    Career Points: 72
    Peak Points: 115
    TOTAL POINTS: 672



    94: Zaheer Abbas (Pakistan) (1969-1985)

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    Career Average: 44.79
    Adjusted career average: 41.30
    Adjusted away average: 35.93
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 38.09
    Top Tier centuries: 1
    Second tier centuries: 2
    Third tier centuries: 7
    Significant innings: 18
    Significant innings per match: 0.23
    Great innings: 2
    Innings worth average: 2.74

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 60.39
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 50.83


    Quality Points: 474
    Career Points: 81
    Peak Points: 119
    TOTAL POINTS: 674




    93: Dilip Vengsarkar (India) (1976-1992)

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    Career Average: 42.13
    Adjusted career average: 41.76
    Adjusted away average: 33.26
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 41.98
    Top Tier centuries: 6
    Second tier centuries: 1
    Third tier centuries: 8
    Significant innings: 24
    Significant innings per match: 0.21
    Great innings: 1
    Innings worth average: 2.70

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 76.09 (rank 4)
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 53.43


    Quality Points: 465
    Career Points: 81
    Peak Points: 129
    TOTAL POINTS: 674




    92: Jonathan Trott (England) (2009-present day)

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    Career Average: 50.01
    Adjusted career average: 46.65
    Adjusted away average: 42.06
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 46.17
    Top Tier centuries: 1
    Second tier centuries: 4
    Third tier centuries: 2
    Significant innings: 17
    Significant innings per match: 0.40
    Great innings: 1
    Innings worth average: 3.19

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 51.91


    Quality Points: 541
    Career Points: 37
    Peak Points: 96
    TOTAL POINTS: 674




    91: Alvin Kallicharran (West Indies) (1972-1981)

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    Career Average: 44.43
    Adjusted career average: 44.14
    Adjusted away average: 42.98
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 42.20
    Top Tier centuries: 1
    Second tier centuries: 2
    Third tier centuries: 9
    Significant innings: 18
    Significant innings per match: 0.27
    Great innings: 2
    Innings worth average: 2.94

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 52.75
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 49.12


    Quality Points: 505
    Career Points: 56
    Peak Points: 115
    TOTAL POINTS: 675
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    The player that I'm most keen to see is the enigmatic Rohan Kanhai because he is difficult to rate to the 'naked-eye'. I hope he comes out in the top 25.
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    Excellent peak from Vengasakar. Not somebody I'd expect to be that high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    a lot of unknown quantities will appear on the list (or rather long forgotten ones). At least it will be a bit of a hit to my modern biases
    Yeah I've never even heard of Ian Trott

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    Those 4 retired players are really good

    Its interesting to compare these ratings with where we picked players in the ATG world game
    Chappell 11th team
    Abbas 15th
    Vengsarkar 22nd
    Trott 25th
    Kallicharran 18th

    I'm thinking Norm O'Neill, Damien Martyn, Jackie McGlew, Aravinda de Silva and Gundappa Vishwanath could all feature shortly.

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    Once again apologies for the delay. But it has been worth it, as, lo and behold, I went back to check out Basil Butcher and Jackie McGlew, and they both crack the top 100! Thanks NUFAN for the heads up on McGlew. I always thought that Butcher was going to be close to the top 100 as well, so I am kicking myself for not doing his stats sooner. But, sorry, no Norm O'Neill. He ends up at no.123 (632 points)

    So, here is Butcher's profile. He comes in at no.96:

    96: Basil Butcher (West Indies) (1958-1969)

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    Career Average: 43.11
    Adjusted career average: 42.77
    Adjusted away average: 46.33
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 43.49
    Top Tier centuries: 0
    Second tier centuries: 5
    Third tier centuries: 0
    Significant innings: 17
    Significant innings per match: 0.39
    Great innings: 2
    Innings worth average: 3.02

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 45.91

    Quality Points: 512
    Career Points: 61
    Peak Points: 100
    TOTAL POINTS: 672


    So, here is the top 100 so far, along with those just missing the cut:

    92 AI Kallicharran 675
    93 IJL Trott 674
    94 DB Vengsarkar 674
    95 Zaheer Abbas 674
    96 BF Butcher 672
    97 IM Chappell 672
    98 EH Hendren 669
    99 R Abel 667
    100 PR Umrigar 666
    101 MJ Slater 665
    102 DL Amiss 664
    103 ER Dexter 663
    104 GM Turner 661
    105 DM Jones 658
    106 RA Smith 656
    107 Hon. FS Jackson 656
    108 KS Ranjitsinhji 655
    109 SP Fleming 653
    110 TW Graveney 652
    111 M Amarnath 649
    112 IR Bell 647

    So, Slats to rage at missing out on the esteemed 100. I will be back shortly to carry on the list in the 80s.

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    Now I'm confused . I thought that Hendren was No.96, and that Slater had broken into the Top 100. Butcher No.90?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Once again apologies for the delay. But it has been worth it, as, lo and behold, I went back to check out Basil Butcher and Jackie McGlew, and they both crack the top 100! Thanks NUFAN for the heads up on McGlew. I always thought that Butcher was going to be close to the top 100 as well, so I am kicking myself for not doing his stats sooner. But, sorry, no Norm O'Neill. He ends up at no.123 (632 points)

    So, Slats to rage at missing out on the esteemed 100. I will be back shortly to carry on the list in the 80s.
    No worries at all DoG, sorry for the extra work!

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    91: David Boon (Australia) (1984-1996)

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    Career Average: 43.65
    Adjusted career average: 42.07
    Adjusted away average: 37.93
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 41.47
    Top Tier centuries: 4
    Second tier centuries: 2
    Third tier centuries: 14
    Significant innings: 34
    Significant innings per match: 0.32
    Great innings: 0
    Innings worth average: 2.64

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 56.02
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 50.36


    Quality Points: 481
    Career Points: 76
    Peak Points: 118
    TOTAL POINTS: 676



    90: Maurice Leyland (England) (1928-1938)

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    Career Average: 46.06
    Adjusted career average: 45.58
    Adjusted away average: 44.02
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 46.36
    Top Tier centuries: 5
    Second tier centuries: 1
    Third tier centuries: 3
    Significant innings: 12
    Significant innings per match: 0.29
    Great innings: 2
    Innings worth average: 3.31

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 48.53


    Quality Points: 533
    Career Points: 50
    Peak Points: 94
    TOTAL POINTS: 676



    89: Eddie Paynter (England) (1931-1939)

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    Career Average: 59.23
    Adjusted career average: 50.40
    Adjusted away average: 55.79 (rank 10)
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 65.79 (rank 3)
    Top Tier centuries: 0
    Second tier centuries: 1
    Third tier centuries: 3
    Significant innings: 6
    Significant innings per match: 0.30
    Great innings: 0
    Innings worth average: 3.10


    Quality Points: 605
    Career Points: 25
    Peak Points: 49
    TOTAL POINTS: 679



    88: Alec Stewart (England) (1990-2003)

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    Career Average: 39.54
    Adjusted career average: 41.21
    Adjusted away average: 41.69
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 40.34
    Top Tier centuries: 6
    Second tier centuries: 1
    Third tier centuries: 2
    Significant innings: 35
    Significant innings per match: 0.26
    Great innings: 1
    Innings worth average: 2.90

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 55.12
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 48.64


    Quality Points: 477
    Career Points: 92
    Peak Points: 110
    TOTAL POINTS: 679



    87: Thilan Samaraweera (Sri Lanka) (2001-2013)

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    Career Average: 48.77
    Adjusted career average: 43.49
    Adjusted away average: 38.74
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 40.19
    Top Tier centuries: 2
    Second tier centuries: 3
    Third tier centuries: 4
    Significant innings: 30
    Significant innings per match: 0.37
    Great innings: 1
    Innings worth average: 3.10

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 63.70
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 47.10


    Quality Points: 495
    Career Points: 64
    Peak Points: 121
    TOTAL POINTS: 681



    86: Seymour Nurse (West Indies) (1960-1969)

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    Career Average: 47.60
    Adjusted career average: 47.33
    Adjusted away average: 53.35
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 44.16
    Top Tier centuries: 0
    Second tier centuries: 4
    Third tier centuries: 2
    Significant innings: 7
    Significant innings per match: 0.24
    Great innings: 4
    Innings worth average: 3.39

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 49.41


    Quality Points: 553
    Career Points: 52
    Peak Points: 76
    TOTAL POINTS: 681
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