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    Bradman- status as the greatest batsman ever under threat?

    In a nutshell: While Bradman's status as the greatest batsman is increasingly under threat, no one raises an eyebrow at Garry Sobers being called the greatest allrounder.
    That's from Gary (Garry) Sobers' cricinfo profile. WTF?

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    We actually have debates about whether Sobers is the greatest allrounder ever (even if people do get a bit touchy about other candidates, most notably a certain South African). No such debates occur with regards to the best batsman ever.
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    The writer might mean that no one attempts to be batsman, finger spinner, wrist spinner and quick bowler whereas plenty try to be the greatest batsman ever - but more likely he or she is a total ****wit

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    That line was written after the meteoric rise of Ravi Bopara.


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    Another lame appeal (which ignores all the facts) to a particularly large cricket demographic.

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    Don't think that Sachin is even the second best, so no one seriously believes he is the best.
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    Let's not forgot that Bradman scored his runs on only two countries (Australia & England). While I'm sure he would have been fantastic in other places around the world, he never played on spinning wickets in India, pacey pitches in the West Indies or raging seamers in New Zealand. There are many factors that make Bradman the great batsman he is and he is undoubtedly the greatest batsman of his time, but who's to say he wouldn't have been Ricky Ponting like and averaged well below his career average on turning pitches in India.

    I'm not saying at all that he shouldn't be rated as the greatest batsman ever, in fact I think he is, but these questions are rarely asked when we do compare him to other players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Wright View Post
    Let's not forgot that Bradman scored his runs on only two countries (Australia & England). While I'm sure he would have been fantastic in other places around the world, he never played on spinning wickets in India, pacey pitches in the West Indies or raging seamers in New Zealand. There are many factors that make Bradman the great batsman he is and he is undoubtedly the greatest batsman of his time, but who's to say he wouldn't have been Ricky Ponting like and averaged well below his career average on turning pitches in India.

    I'm not saying at all that he shouldn't be rated as the greatest batsman ever, in fact I think he is, but these questions are rarely asked when we do compare him to other players.
    I don't remember any other great batsman averaging 99.94 in Australia and England. Can't really try and mark him down for that anyway, its not his fault he never played anywhere else.
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    Just out of interest - has there ever been a Draft with a 'NO TENDULKAR' rule?
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    Well I actually disagree with the "no Bradman" rules as well.

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    If it is upto PEWS, there will be a "no Kallis" rule..
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    You cannot have a Kallisball draft without Kallis though. It just doesn't work.

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    Well.. I think it is fair that Allan Border doesn't remain in contention for the Allan Border Medal..

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    Literally 0 educated fans consider Tendulkar the best ever, this fanboy bull**** is blown way out of proportion.

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