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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    But Lyon is costing NSW nothing. He has a CA contract so it's not like he's taking up a spot...
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    Was about to say that Benchmark. Very good signing if any player under CA contract joins your state.
    The problem is not the cost, the problem building team combinations and never having the right balance.If you keep having to change your side once a month to accommodate a Test player, you never build any combinations.

    Also another Test bowler means we are forced to play with 5 specialist bowlers. Yes Copeland and O'Keefe can bat. But if you look at Tasmania they have similar standard batsmen in Butterworth and Gulbis at 8 - 10. They can do this as they haven't stacked their squad with bowlers. But they still have enough bowling options to win matches.

    The NSW sides that have won previous comps, have been the sides with better batting line ups. We always have bowlers coming through the ranks. The other thing those side had was he best non Internationals as well.

    Nathan Lyon played 5 games last season. What is benefit if each game he plays you are forced to bat one short, in a batting line that is already weak.
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    Find me SS NSW have won without many Australian players in the squad.

    Having Australian contracted players has nothing to do with it. The problem occurs when there's a decent prospect who isn't performing at state level but is instructed to play by higher powers.
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    I can't remember which one said it, but the (new) CEO/Chairman talked about 'getting back' some players who left NSW/were missed by NSW when they took over, so I guess Lyon fits right in with that
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    NSW will play 5 or more bowlers no doubt but I'd imagine only Lyon, Starc and Cummins if fit will play for sure. The other couple of spots are up for grabs with Hazlewood, Sandhu, Copeland, Bollinger and SOK fighting it out or two spots.

    I agree with the person who said Bollinger should move states, not sure who would pick him up though, perhaps he'll tour the world as a T20 specialist sooner rather than later.


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    Harinath advised Warn his main priority was to ensure the state built its new era upon a three-fold foundation - an exceptional coach, captain and manager. He said another priority was for the state to lure Blues-in-exile - Phil Hughes, Usman Khawaja, Jackson Bird and Ed Cowan included - ''home''.

    ''That's a priority, getting our players back to NSW,'' he said. ''It is the right time to get them back but I think it is most important to put the right structure in place and have a good ambience to encourage the players to return.
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    there we are. act boi ryan carters kinda fits in here too. although i guess it's actually Harinath saying it. whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Find me SS NSW have won without many Australian players in the squad.

    Having Australian contracted players has nothing to do with it. The problem occurs when there's a decent prospect who isn't performing at state level but is instructed to play by higher powers.
    Just to clarify I'm referring to current regular International during that season. Not a squad that had no former or future Internationals.

    This side didn't have one regular International the season.

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    What's the point though? Do you want me to link to seasons where NSW had international players that played a few matches in the season and they won the shield?

    Having Nathan Lyon and Michael Clarke playing a few games isn't going to harm NSW. Having under performing players who aren't good enough to make the team is the problem.

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    I think Nathan Lyon is a bit different to the average case, given he, you know, doesn't play for the ODI team. we can be confident we'll have him for 5 or so games a season. My main worry is being 'forced' into playing two spinners when we shouldn't. but as long as sok doesn't get the C back......

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    What's the point though? Do you want me to link to seasons where NSW had international players that played a few matches in the season and they won the shield?

    Having Nathan Lyon and Michael Clarke playing a few games isn't going to harm NSW. Having under performing players who aren't good enough to make the team is the problem.
    Having Internationals is fine if it is like for like swap and doesn't affect the balance of your side.

    But with Lyon are you going to play two spinners in the matches he doesn't play. Or do you have to change the balance of the side every time he comes back.

    Unless we 2-3 top batsmen it is unlikely we will play less then 5 bowlers. But having to play two spinners for the sake of it, even if the match is at the WACA is stupid. Which is where SA struggled with him and Botha. That is as bad as having to play an under performing International player.

    It is the same problem when we got Watson. We recruited Watson when he was opening, when we already had 3-4 openers. I don't think we have ever won a match with Watson, as the balance got thrown out the door just accommodate a Test player for a couple games a season.

    You only recruit players that add something to your squad. Lyon doesn't add anything to our side, unless O'Keefe get dropped as captain and they fight it out for the No 1 spinner spot when they both play away from the SCG.

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    Yeah I don't think 'recruit' is the right word with Watson. He kind of just started living here, I don't think we particularly aspired to get him.

    Not sure what the issue is here re: Lyon. O'Keefe doesn't have to play every match. He's not skipper and he's not that good. I'd rather Lyon plus 3 or 4 quicks than the 2 spinners for the sake of it.

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    we should go after Smith


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    Jason Krejza says he is keen to make the Tassie squad from the outside,but is open to offers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brockley View Post
    Jason Krejza says he is keen to make the Tassie squad from the outside,but is open to offers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Yeah I don't think 'recruit' is the right word with Watson. He kind of just started living here, I don't think we particularly aspired to get him.

    Not sure what the issue is here re: Lyon. O'Keefe doesn't have to play every match. He's not skipper and he's not that good. I'd rather Lyon plus 3 or 4 quicks than the 2 spinners for the sake of it.
    Personally I would have O'Keefe as better red ball bowler then Lyon, but that is another argument. With the current policy of picking PONI ahead of other players regardless of performance. That is another issue when O'Keefe out performances Lyon, you would have to play Lyon even when he not the best spinner or drop a fast bowler on a green pitch. Not sure why you would want to recruit the 2nd best spinner in Australia, when you have the No 1.

    Also it is not unrealistic if you played Lyon and 4 quicks. You would have 4 No 11s from 8-11, if Cummins and Starc are injured or playing for Australia. It is bad enough we will play 3 most games.

    Oh well it looks like they are obsessed with getting NSW players back, which is good but they are looking in the wrong department. Need some batsmen, not bowlers.

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    Not sure if you know, but quality domestic bats are a little scarce aws

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