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    Tate > Larwood.

    Fredfertang to confirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    Tate > Larwood.

    Fredfertang to confirm.
    Looks like the 'Elland Express' is at the top of the pile to me.
    Last edited by watson; 28-02-2013 at 07:00 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    Tate > Larwood.

    Fredfertang to confirm.
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    See Z and fred are just like the rest of us plebs, only they argue about players from 70 years earlier

    Tate v Larwood to become the new Warne v Murali
    And we still haven't walked in the glow of each other's majestic presence.


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    It appears that Bradman may have increased the overall bowling average by 1.26

    1928-1939 matches without Bradman: 56T, 49164 runs @ 30.66

    Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

    1928-1939 matches with Bradman: 37T, 37510 runs @ 31.92

    Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

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    Larwood in matches without Bradman: 10T, 37 wkts @ 23.18

    Larwood in matches with Bradman: 11T, 41 wkts @ 33.02

    What's interesting is that he got the same number of wkts per match, but went for 10 more runs per wkt when Bradman played


    Tate in matches without Bradman: 30T, 127 wkts @ 22.92

    Tate in matches with Bradman: 9T, 28 wkts @ 40.82

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie tragic View Post
    Larwood in matches without Bradman: 10T, 37 wkts @ 23.18

    Larwood in matches with Bradman: 11T, 41 wkts @ 33.02

    What's interesting is that he got the same number of wkts per match, but went for 10 more runs per wkt when Bradman played


    Tate in matches without Bradman: 30T, 127 wkts @ 22.92

    Tate in matches with Bradman: 9T, 28 wkts @ 40.82
    Ponsford and others felt the Tate of 1928-29 (Bradman debut) was not a patch on the Tate of 1924-25
    You know it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    Boy that would be handy.
    OK, these are for the 1930 series, if this is helpful I could do it for the 1934 and 29-29 series

    So they go balls - runs - wickets. No idea why he has Wall I imagine it's suppose to be Larwood


    Wall = 147 - 137 - 1

    Tate = 461 - 238 - 3

    Robins = 87 - 70 - 1

    Tyldesley = 189 - 102 - 0

    Hammond = 268 - 115 - 0

    Geary = 88 - 56 - 0

    Peebles = 120 - 72 - 1

    Allen = 34 - 34 - 0

    White = 86 - 66 - 1

    Leyland = 60 - 45 - 0

    Wyatt = 17 - 17 - 0

    Woolley = 23 - 22 - 0

    Total = 1580 - 974 - 7

    ave = 139.1

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    Archie: Yes that Wall stat is meant to be Larwood.

    I actually had the 30 breakdown from the Rosenwater book. I got the bodyline break down from that book too. I got the Bedser and Verity stats from a sources I can't recall but I remember the numbers. Similarly I have his Larwood and tate figures from 28/29 but not his figures v White and Geary. So I'd be grateful if you could give me the 28/29 and 34 stats please. It'd give me more information to test my guesstimate as well as firming up the effect with actual figures.

    Aussie tragic: I read an article on cricinfo comparing the av runs per wkt by decade. The 30s compared favourably with evry other decade once you took Bradman's contribution out. I have it somewhere and will post it when I find it.

    In the meantime I'll compare the selected post and pre war bowler's stats against other countries. Even then their stats are similar showing that their was little difference btwn the 2 groups.

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    The numbers for Geary are 174-77-2 and White 350-129-1 and Hammond 139-54-1

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    1934 isn't quite so easy as he does it on a match by match basis - If Archie doesn't come up with the goods before his bedtime I'll do the sums for you when I have a few minutes this afternoon

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    Cheers and thankyou.

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    Actually if you could confirm the Larwood and Tate figures for 1928/29 I'd be grateful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    Actually if you could confirm the Larwood and Tate figures for 1928/29 I'd be grateful.
    I'd just put that one away!

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    Larwood 108-72-0
    Tate 296-119-2

    Hang on and I'll do the '34 series while I'm at it

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