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    Quote Originally Posted by sobers no:1 View Post
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    The way you put it made me lol

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    Michael Bevan and Lance Klusner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himannv View Post
    With the benefit of hindsight, I reckon we should have gone with the following:

    01. Sanath Jayasuriya
    02. Sachin Tendulkar
    03. Viv Richards
    04. Dean Jones
    05. Andrew Symonds
    06. MS Dhoni+
    07. Lance Klusener
    08. Shaun Pollock
    09. Wasim Akram
    10. Joel Garner
    11. Muralitharan
    That's a very good team Himannv. But it highlights some philosophical questions when selecting ATG ODI teams;

    (1.) Do you go for the ODI specialist who is not normally an ATG player - such as, Dean Jones, Andrew Symonds, MS Dhoni, and Lance Klusener?

    OR

    (2) Do you go for the 'Gold Tier' ATG player, but with the slightly inferior ODI record - such as Adam Gilchrist and Brian Lara?

    Personally, I prefer to select 'Gold Tier' ATG Players because I make the assumption that you need top class batsman to take on top class bowlers. And vice versa. Obviously, I make the odd exception (eg Michael Bevan), but in the main I think that the team is more solid with the vast majority being 'Gold Tier' ATGs.

    Incidently, this study is interesting;

    http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/itfigu...kar_on_top.php

    Therefore,

    01. Sachin Tendulkar
    02. Adam Gilchrist
    03. Ricky Ponting
    04. Viv Richards
    05. Brian Lara
    06. Michael Bevan
    07. Kapil Dev
    08. Richard Hadlee
    09. Wasim Akram
    10. Joel Garner
    11. Muttiah Muralitheran
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    Hussey would be a better option than Dohni (already have Gilly) and Bevan (Hussey can hit).

    Hussey - 6
    Imran - 7 (c)


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    Ideally though

    1. Brian Lara
    2. Sachin Tendulkar
    3. Ricky Ponting
    4. Vivian Richards
    5. Michael Bevan
    6. MS Dohni (wk)
    7. Imran Khan (c)
    8. Wasim Akram
    9. Muttiah Muralitharan
    10. Joel Garner
    11. Glenn McGrath

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    Verrrrrry tight as things stand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    Hussey would be a better option than Dohni (already have Gilly) and Bevan (Hussey can hit).

    Hussey - 6
    Imran - 7 (c)
    I see Hussey and Bevan as on a par with respect to ODIs. Except that Bevan had more 'fire-power'.

    For example, here is Bevan's 185 V Asia off not many balls. Anil Kumble gets turned into mince-meat;

    Michael Bevan 185 vs Asia BattiMobile Ghotki 03003196100 - YouTube
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    Hessey has a better strike rate and was an amazing finisher.

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    My ideal team (today) would be....


    - A. Gilchrist+
    - S. Tendulkar
    - R. Ponting
    - B. Lara
    - V. Richards
    - C. Lloyd
    - K. Dev
    - W. Akram
    - A. Donald
    - J. Garner
    - M. Muralitharan



    Would be comfortable with swapping Donald for Hadlee or Imran to strengthen the batting a bit, but Donald was a great ODI bowler, and deserves recognition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    Hessey has a better strike rate and was an amazing finisher.
    Played in a different era though.

    But I think they're pretty close together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    Hessey has a better strike rate and was an amazing finisher.
    It's true that Bevan has the higher average (54 v 48) but Hussey the higher Strike Rate (87 v 74).

    However, Bevan chose not to 'power-hit' because he didn't need to. He rotated the strike and merely coasted Australia to the required total. So, it's not a matter that he didn't have the 'fire-power' at his disposal, but rather chose not to use it in order to minimise risk.

    But when he needed to clear the boundary he was almost as good as Viv Richards IMO.

    Here is the scorecard featuring Bevan's 185 (132 balls) against Akram, Vaas, Kumble, Murali and Razzaq.

    He leaves Jayasuriyah, Tendulkar, Mark Waugh, Jacques Kallis, and Lance Klusener for dead.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin...tch/84278.html
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSBisb9iGPM
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    Could get watto to open the batting instead of gilly then have both dhoni and bevan in the side

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    I make that (although Marcuss might find differently);

    MB = 9
    IK = 7
    MSD = 6
    KD = 5
    LK = 4
    CL = 2
    SP = 1
    MH = 1
    AF = 1

    Note: Sobers1 voted twice for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Could get watto to open the batting instead of gilly then have both dhoni and bevan in the side
    Including Watson (version capable of bowling 10 overs) and Dhoni gives a side pretty amazing batting depth, especially if you add the best bowling all rounders in as well!


    - Watson (5)
    - Tendulkar
    - Ponting
    - Lara
    - V. Richards
    - Dhoni +
    - Lloyd/AB DeVil/Hussey/Bevan
    - Kapil (3)
    - Imran (2)
    - Hadlee (1)
    - Warne (4)

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    Number 6
    Michael Bevan - 9
    MS Dhoni - 6
    Clive Lloyd - 2
    Michael Hussey - 1

    Number 7
    Imran Khan - 7
    Kapil Dev - 5
    Lance Klusener - 4
    Andrew Flintoff - 1
    Shaun Pollock - 1


    Team Thus Far
    1. Adam Gilchrist
    2. Sachin Tendulkar
    3. Ricky Ponting
    4. Vivian Richards
    5. Brian Lara
    6. Michael Bevan
    7. Imran Khan
    8. Wasim Akram
    9. Joel Garner
    10. Muttiah Muralitharan
    11. Glenn McGrath

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