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****Official****Pakistan in South Africa
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uvelocity
International Coach
yeah agree. prepared to go out on a limb and call 2-1 pak. philander has been brittle, should steynje do himself a mischief and philander miss the bowling goes from best in the world to nothing special very quickly. just feel the wind might blow the other way for this series.
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
Lets hope you are right Nostradamelocity.
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
I want us to play against the best XI RSA can field. Don't want our FTBs to be spared the onslaught.
FearIshant
Banned
I fear for Pakistan, while 3-0 thrashing is unaviodable, Pak will do well to extend the match to the 4th day.I believe all three test matches will end up well inside three days.
A couple of Pak batsmen might be able to score 50 runs in the series.
A couple of Pak batsmen might be able to score 50 runs in the series.
Prince EWS
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over the years i have found that one of the most instructive ways to judge a pakistan match is to have an intuitive feel for the mood and feeling in the camp, let me TRY and explain.
i remember this time last year pakistan were written off as if they were bangladesh vs england partly because they were deemed to be a shambles, partly because they were deemed not to be good enough to beat the world no.1 - hardly surprising - yet also simplistic imo.
since the disastrous tour vs england in 2010 pakistan had actually demonstrated a degree of stability, and i put this down to a change in mood and feeling in the camp, a resolve to put the nonsense behind them and concentrate on cricket.
they actually drew with south africa in UAE at the "height" of their low point (immediately after england), that can perhaps easily be dismissed as flat track run fest, but also a petty good result given the shambolic and cataclysmic england series they had just endured, not to mention the loss of their best players, a very raw and inexperienced team...as well as everything else bad that is associated with pakistan heightened to an even greater extent given the atmosphere and controversy, so all in all not a bad result to get vs the mighty south africa even if it was just dry flat roads in the UAE
from then on until england in UAE pakistan had actually displayed a pretty creditable run beating most of their opposition, again keep in mind how crap/inexperienced they were widely assumed to be...so the point is - pakistan were a lot more stable than they were given credit for by the time it came to england in UAE.
then against england it kind of came together and look what happened....
the greatest strength was imo team ethic and a resolve to put an honest shift in, this was far from a spectacular pakistan team, yet look what they achieved against the no.1 team with an inexperienced and mediocre-ish team
now at present, a year on from england in uae pakistan are in better shape, batting looks pretty promising, team morale is seemingly as stable as ever from the outset, have just beaten india, dropped the akmals and generally pretty high in morale.....so the mood feels pretty good to me
(having written the above it will probably all go wrong)
i remember this time last year pakistan were written off as if they were bangladesh vs england partly because they were deemed to be a shambles, partly because they were deemed not to be good enough to beat the world no.1 - hardly surprising - yet also simplistic imo.
since the disastrous tour vs england in 2010 pakistan had actually demonstrated a degree of stability, and i put this down to a change in mood and feeling in the camp, a resolve to put the nonsense behind them and concentrate on cricket.
they actually drew with south africa in UAE at the "height" of their low point (immediately after england), that can perhaps easily be dismissed as flat track run fest, but also a petty good result given the shambolic and cataclysmic england series they had just endured, not to mention the loss of their best players, a very raw and inexperienced team...as well as everything else bad that is associated with pakistan heightened to an even greater extent given the atmosphere and controversy, so all in all not a bad result to get vs the mighty south africa even if it was just dry flat roads in the UAE
from then on until england in UAE pakistan had actually displayed a pretty creditable run beating most of their opposition, again keep in mind how crap/inexperienced they were widely assumed to be...so the point is - pakistan were a lot more stable than they were given credit for by the time it came to england in UAE.
then against england it kind of came together and look what happened....
the greatest strength was imo team ethic and a resolve to put an honest shift in, this was far from a spectacular pakistan team, yet look what they achieved against the no.1 team with an inexperienced and mediocre-ish team
now at present, a year on from england in uae pakistan are in better shape, batting looks pretty promising, team morale is seemingly as stable as ever from the outset, have just beaten india, dropped the akmals and generally pretty high in morale.....so the mood feels pretty good to me
(having written the above it will probably all go wrong)
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smash84
The Tiger King
great interview with Nasir Jamshed on cricinfo
Interviews : Nasir Jamshed: 'I have learnt the value of my wicket and I am afraid of losing it' | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo
Seems to have a cool head.
Interviews : Nasir Jamshed: 'I have learnt the value of my wicket and I am afraid of losing it' | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo
Seems to have a cool head.
I guess, but then that wold have been true for a while.
Bouncer
State Regular
Normally I am very excited when I see test matches played before LOC on a tour but this time around I wanted so badly for Pak to have played some LOC before tests just so that Pak batting lineup gets to spend some time in middle in the format where they might be touch more comfortable on these SA tracks before test matches so that they might put up some better fight in tests- unfortunately that is not the case.
If this batting lineup takes 2 out of 3 tests beyond 4 days - I would be not too sad.
If this batting lineup takes 2 out of 3 tests beyond 4 days - I would be not too sad.
smash84
The Tiger King
"At 7' 1", Irfan had caught the eye of the South African media well before Pakistan's arrival in the country. Knowing the kind of bounce Morne Morkel can extract from surfaces, the hype around what someone eight inches taller may be able to do has grown."
itstl
Pakistan in South Africa 2012-13 : Pakistan attack can challenge South Africa | Cricket News | South Africa v Pakistan | ESPN Cricinfo
lots of people looking forward to this. Carn Pakistan
itstl
Pakistan in South Africa 2012-13 : Pakistan attack can challenge South Africa | Cricket News | South Africa v Pakistan | ESPN Cricinfo
lots of people looking forward to this. Carn Pakistan
Cabinet96
Global Moderator
Hadn't realised quite how soon the first test was. Pretty quick change up after the NZ ODI's finish.
Not quite sure who to support; I like the South African team a lot, and they're arguably my second team, but I have a soft spot for Pakistan, and somewhat want them to do well.
Not quite sure who to support; I like the South African team a lot, and they're arguably my second team, but I have a soft spot for Pakistan, and somewhat want them to do well.
Things were looking good and stable for Pakistan before England arrived last year
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
You'll end up following Pakistan because you want me to taste it IMO. Not to mention the Prez factor.Hadn't realised quite how soon the first test was. Pretty quick change up after the NZ ODI's finish.
Not quite sure who to support; I like the South African team a lot, and they're arguably my second team, but I have a soft spot for Pakistan, and somewhat want them to do well.
Things were looking good and stable for Pakistan before England arrived last year