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    Quite scary that we are doing class of the 00's yet if you think about Joe Root who will probably figure in the next decades top players he wasn't even born when Tendulkar got his maiden test ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Warrior View Post
    No, I just think there were a few other blokes who were better! Why do people only understand things in extremes? Never said Border turned into a cringing coward at the sight of a fast bowler! You know in between Donald Bradman and Marcus North is the realm where vast majority of great batsmen in the world exist.
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    Cook I think will have an understated legacy that will not be fully appreciated until long after he has retired. When I think of the Cook of the '06-'07 Ashes compared to the Cook from '09 til present, I am gobsmacked at the transformation.
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    Interesting looking back at this and where this group will go down in history.

    Smith, Clarke and KP done - AB possibly too.

    Just Cook & Amla left and their form drifts in and out these days.
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    Generation gaps are pretty common in cricket, as far as the incredibly high bar of 'breaking records and being remembered as the best ever' goes.

    There were a bunch of batsmen who played in the 70s and 80s that smashed batting records (Richards, Gavaskar, Border) but nobody who debuted 10 years later were making these records in the 90s. We had to wait for the Lara-Tendulkar generation to get there.

    Similar thing happening now, nobody who debuted in the mid 2000s really got there (yeah Cook maybe, but that'd be quite different) and so we've got to wait for most likely one of the current big four to get up there.
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    They all at one stage looked to be an ATG but now I dont see anyone really making it to the ATG status.

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    Surely ABD is an ODI ATG?

    Amla might have been given more time - he got going in ODIs rather late.

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    Amla got the closest but the last two years ploughed back his legend.
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    AB's definitely an odi atg.

    He and Amla can get there in tests if they have a resurgence but it looks pretty unlikely.
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    If ABdV isn't an ODI great then literally no one is.

    Average of 53 at a SR > 100. That's insane. If anything he's the GOAT ODI Batsman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    If ABdV isn't an ODI great then literally no one is.

    Average of 53 at a SR > 100. That's insane. If anything he's the GOAT ODI Batsman.
    Think he'd have to win something significant for that. But yes, he's certainly in the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    If ABdV isn't an ODI great then literally no one is.

    Average of 53 at a SR > 100. That's insane. If anything he's the GOAT ODI Batsman.
    I wouldn't go as far as to say he is GOAT in ODI's as some Aussies and Indians have great records too and actually did it in finals of world cups and things which helps count more for them.

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    Yes when the team fails it means that the player is less when compared to other players....
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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    I wouldn't go as far as to say he is GOAT in ODI's as some Aussies and Indians have great records too and actually did it in finals of world cups and things which helps count more for them.
    Other than Michael Bevan I don't think anyone else really challenges him that much. Consider that ABdV batted mostly in the middle order, which is much harder than opening or no. 3 (which are the ideal positions to bat in LO cricket). Batted a lot at the death as well and still had such a high average. Sure it gives you more not outs but you throw you're wicket away all the time.

    And Bevan was a different era with very different scores being made so hard to compare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenZA View Post
    Yes when the team fails it means that the player is less when compared to other players....
    It's not his fault, but it will inevitably count against him when the other contemporaries he's up against have similar (maybe not S/R though) records but also have trophies to show for it.

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