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    Williamson, wow. WAG!

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    Williamson

    Saw what we won by and was like "who got the wickets then eh?"

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    How weird is this - the last time Australia had 5 run outs in an ODI, their score was identical to South Africa's tonight in the same number of overs, and SL only scored 5 runs less than NZ tonight. :O

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    Great talent this Williamson. I hope he gives NZ fans the same joy Crowe did.


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    Weird to think that statistically NZ have access to 5 of the best 15 Kiwi ODI batsman who have scored 1000 runs (rounding up for Kane).

    From raw stats it goes:

    Turner 47.00
    Twose 38.81
    Crowe 38.55
    Taylor 37.86
    Williamson 37.38
    Guptill 36.45

    Jones 35.69
    Astle 34.92
    Ryder 34.37
    Fulton 32.53
    Styris 32.48
    Fleming 32.41
    Edgar 30.74
    Coney 30.72
    McCullum 30.12

    Could we putting up arguably our greatest ever ODI batting lineup soon if Watling keeps being good? (or Ronchi guns it failing that)

    Guptill
    Watling
    Williamson
    Taylor
    Ryder
    McCullum
    Ronchi
    Mills
    NcCullum
    Southee
    Other bowler X (Vettori/Boult/McClenananananaaghan)

    NAME THAT LINEUP GUIZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Weird to think that statistically NZ have access to 5 of the best 15 Kiwi ODI batsman who have scored 1000 runs (rounding up for Kane).

    From raw stats it goes:

    Turner 47.00
    Twose 38.81
    Crowe 38.55
    Taylor 37.86
    Williamson 37.38
    Guptill 36.45

    Jones 35.69
    Astle 34.92
    Ryder 34.37
    Fulton 32.53
    Styris 32.48
    Fleming 32.41
    Edgar 30.74
    Coney 30.72
    McCullum 30.12

    Could we putting up arguably our greatest ever ODI batting lineup soon if Watling keeps being good? (or Ronchi guns it failing that)

    Guptill
    Watling
    Williamson
    Taylor
    Ryder
    McCullum
    Ronchi
    Mills
    NcCullum
    Southee
    Other bowler X (Vettori/Boult/McClenananananaaghan)

    NAME THAT LINEUP GUIZ
    It's not really that simple though because New Zealand a lot more matches against minnows than they used to, and batting averages are going up in one day cricket so the standards are higher today. Someone like Styris was a much better batsman than that average shows for most of his career too.

    There's a reason you were ranked ninth with a pretty similar lineup for the mostpart, and it's not just because Nicol is really bad.
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    Funny too that despite the current team actually having about a thousand "fifth bowlers", that team you posted struggles a bit for one, with Williamson and Ryder having to combine for ten (or possibly more of Nathan McCullum gets smashed early).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Weird to think that statistically NZ have access to 5 of the best 15 Kiwi ODI batsman who have scored 1000 runs (rounding up for Kane).

    From raw stats it goes:

    Turner 47.00
    Twose 38.81
    Crowe 38.55
    Taylor 37.86
    Williamson 37.38
    Guptill 36.45

    Jones 35.69
    Astle 34.92
    Ryder 34.37
    Fulton 32.53
    Styris 32.48
    Fleming 32.41
    Edgar 30.74
    Coney 30.72
    McCullum 30.12
    Used to love Twose, especially his fielding. I remember one brilliant catch from him but I've never seen anyone post the video

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Used to love Twose, especially his fielding. I remember one brilliant catch from him but I've never seen anyone post the video
    Me too - Eden Park, in front of the terraces, if I remember right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    It's not really that simple though because New Zealand a lot more matches against minnows than they used to, and batting averages are going up in one day cricket so the standards are higher today. Someone like Styris was a much better batsman than that average shows for most of his career too.

    There's a reason you were ranked ninth with a pretty similar lineup for the mostpart, and it's not just because Nicol is really bad.
    Yeah I'd definitely say that the rankings cannot be read purely in that order but I'd also say that does represent the top 15 NZ ODI bats pretty well. I'd probably put McMillan in there ahead of Edgar but I'd say thats a fair representation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Funny too that despite the current team actually having about a thousand "fifth bowlers", that team you posted struggles a bit for one, with Williamson and Ryder having to combine for ten (or possibly more of Nathan McCullum gets smashed early).
    Yeah would have to drop Watling or Ronchi to put in a 5th bowling option of any greater quality. My issue with the lineup I named is that Mills, NcCullum and even Southee all have bad days and may not get through a full 10 so a genuine 5th bowling option is required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Yeah I'd definitely say that the rankings cannot be read purely in that order but I'd also say that does represent the top 15 NZ ODI bats pretty well. I'd probably put McMillan in there ahead of Edgar but I'd say thats a fair representation.
    Guptill averages 30 and strikes at 75 against other top eight nations; I think I'd take Cairns for example well ahead of him at this point given his role, much higher strike rate, standards of the era etc.

    Williamson's record is even worse despite his ton today (averages sub 30 and strikes at 70 against major nations), although as I've maintained for quite a while I'm sure he'll fix that up in time. He's been given weird roles in the lower order too.

    McCullum averages less than Chris Harris and Hamish Marshall against other major nations. Of course his record is much better as opener which is why he's moving back down the order.. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Yeah would have to drop Watling or Ronchi to put in a 5th bowling option of any greater quality. My issue with the lineup I named is that Mills, NcCullum and even Southee all have bad days and may not get through a full 10 so a genuine 5th bowling option is required.

    Bring back Cairns.

    Boam for the future.

    Etc. etc.
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    Certainly wouldn't rate Guptill in the top 15 yet. 1 century in 4 years against top 8 opposition is poor for an opening bat.
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