***Official*** England in India

[mightymariner]

Originally Posted by Cevno

Haha yeah, match happening seems in dodgy ground right now but weather changes pretty quickly up on the hills.

English conditions, the game must go on!

[Cevno]

Haha was -1 degrees there in the night yesterday. KP tweeted about his feet falling off or something.

Seems to have cleared off in the day though -

[Jono]

That truly is amazing.

[smalishah84]

Originally Posted by Cevno

Haha was -1 degrees there in the night yesterday. KP tweeted about his feet falling off or something.

Seems to have cleared off in the day though -

amazing picture

[vic_orthdox]

Originally Posted by 8ankitj

I think a batsman gets an average he deserves, where he bats and what role he performs doesn't matter. Only thing with which batting average can have trade offs is Strike Rate. In the scenario that you mention, if the two batsmen are equally valuable, one will have better average, other will have better SR. If despite seemingly playing those two different roles, one batsman has better average as well as SR, he is most likely the superior batsman.

Not necessarily, because a guy might have to go from the start to allow Dhoni/Bevan/Hussey to play themselves in with singles, and not let the pressure build up too much; and those guys who have the role of seeing the game through get the chance to make up for their slower start, whilst others have to make the running, getting out early, so can end up with the same strike rate!

[Arjun]

India's Do Not Release For Ranji Final XI:

• Rahane
• Gambhir
• Kohli
• Pujara
• Rohit
• Dhoni (WK)
• Jadeja (SLA)
• Bhuvneshwar (RM)
• Ashwin (OB)
• Shami (RFM)
• Ishant (RFM)

Yuvraj and Raina can go play Ranji.

[8ankitj]

Originally Posted by vic_orthdox

Not necessarily, because a guy might have to go from the start to allow Dhoni/Bevan/Hussey to play themselves in with singles, and not let the pressure build up too much; and those guys who have the role of seeing the game through get the chance to make up for their slower start, whilst others have to make the running, getting out early, so can end up with the same strike rate!

In the situation you describe, I absolutely think Dhoni/Bevan/Hussey are better batsmen than their support cast, and their averages are a healthy reflection of that.

[Daemon]

Originally Posted by vic_orthdox

Not necessarily, because a guy might have to go from the start to allow Dhoni/Bevan/Hussey to play themselves in with singles, and not let the pressure build up too much; and those guys who have the role of seeing the game through get the chance to make up for their slower start, whilst others have to make the running, getting out early, so can end up with the same strike rate!

Sounds fitting in theory but I honestly don't think guys like Raina play that specific a role.

[theegyptian]

Briggs probably told the management to gfy after he heard he wasn't playing on Sunday. Hasn't really got a fair crack given the rest of the bowling resources at england's disposal this tour. Probably feeling pretty bitter right now. Him missing the final game makes the selection process easier. I was assuming 2 of Woakes, Meaker and Briggs were going to play instead of Dernbach and Bresnan. Can't make any changes to the batting so that's that.

[marc71178]

Not sure you can justify Briggs playing given the general arseness with the bat of the majority of our bowlers to be honest.

[Cabinet96]

You can play him instead of Dernbach tbf.

[Daemon]

Would back Root to outbowl him tbh

[theegyptian]

Originally Posted by marc71178

Not sure you can justify Briggs playing given the general arseness with the bat of the majority of our bowlers to be honest.

possibly, but when you play 7 frontline batsmen you shouldn't be relying too much on the tail anyway. It's not like Woakes or Tredwell contributed with the bat when they were need anyway.

I just think he hasn't had a fair chance and he would have been a better option that the group of seamers in the squad.

[marc71178]

Can't really go in with 2 seamers when all your batsmen who bowl are spinners can you so with 7 batsmen/all rounder (Samit) it's him or Tredwell and don't think Tredwell can be criticised really,

[theegyptian]

Originally Posted by marc71178

Can't really go in with 2 seamers when all your batsmen who bowl are spinners can you so with 7 batsmen/all rounder (Samit) it's him or Tredwell and don't think Tredwell can be criticised really,

meh it's slightly risky but given we had one good quick bowler and our past form on previous tours with fast bowlers in ODI cricket your not losing much.

India proved they're no longer the great players of spin they once were during the test series.

It's a moot point now anyway so i don't know why i brought it up.

And I agree Briggs chances are always going to be limited by his poor batting and average fielding. I just feel a bit sad for the guy that he got one game in 7 ODI's and T20's and didn't even play a warmup to the ODI series. If your not going to play in India with the fast bowling resources as we've got, when are you going to play? England obviously don't rate him at present.