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    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


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    Thanks for reviving this thread folks
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    I more than expected this thread to explode back to life during the MCCvROW game
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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    Gilchrist was one of the most destructive batsmen in cricket history. He could turn a tight game overwhelmingly in Australia's favour inside a session. At no point would I have DeVilliers, Flower, Knott, Ames, Lindsay or anyone over him and would be stoked if you had 1st chance to pick him in a draft but overlooked him.
    Good for you, and he was at times very exciting as a batsman and took some good catches. But his overall effectiveness is not overwhelming as a keeper to everyone, so prepare for your excitement to be upheld.
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    Yeah...at times. Anyway never give a sucker an even break and if you really think that I wont disabuse you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    Good for you, and he was at times very exciting as a batsman and took some good catches. But his overall effectiveness is not overwhelming as a keeper to everyone, so prepare for your excitement to be upheld.
    Can you elaborate on what you mean by "his overall effectiveness is not overwhelming as a keeper"?

    Overall, I think he maintained an exceptional standard of wicketkeeping throughout his career. At the very end he declined slightly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    I more than expected this thread to explode back to life during the MCCvROW game
    Yeah ATG XI:

    Arun Finch
    Arun Finch
    Arun Finch
    Arun Finch
    Yuvraj Singh
    Paul Collingwood
    Chris Read (wk)
    Saeed Chuckmal
    Saeed Chuckmal
    Saeed Chuckmal
    Saeed Chuckmal

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Yeah ATG XI:

    Arun Finch
    Arun Finch
    Arun Finch
    Arun Finch
    Yuvraj Singh
    Paul Collingwood
    Chris Read (wk)
    Saeed Chuckmal
    Brett Lee
    Saeed Chuckmal
    Saeed Chuckmal
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    Barry
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    Gilly
    Wasim
    Warne
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    Murali

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    Shouldn't Grace be opening? Viv at 3 and the Prince at 4 and Sobers at 5 would settle that line up much better
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    Shouldn't Grace be opening? Viv at 3 and the Prince at 4 and Sobers at 5 would settle that line up much better
    Yeah But I wasn't going with logic there. Just something I would like to see happen. Have to start with the Richardses

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    Plus Grace and Miller batting together would be so good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Can you elaborate on what you mean by "his overall effectiveness is not overwhelming as a keeper"?

    Overall, I think he maintained an exceptional standard of wicketkeeping throughout his career. At the very end he declined slightly.
    I've gone into this debate too often, but for me his footwork was not good putting him out if place and leading to diving catches that looked great or else were dropped or not even reached.
    I also thought his stumpings weren't with the speed of a Grout or the precision of a Tallon. So exceptional no, but better than most who have since tried to follow his batsman keeper ways, sure

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    Gilly was a magnificent keeper. The distinction with Tallon or Grout is just one for the purists. Its like preferring one batsmen over another bcos he plays the cover drive classically. Or a bowler bcos his action is more side on than others. It may appeal aesthetically but there isn't a practical benefit that should influence selection. What matters to a batsman is runs. Similarly it doesnt matter if a keeper dives for his catches as long as he holds them and that his stumpings are swift enough to find batsmen out of their crease. Gilly took his chances and then accelerates ahead of anyone thanks to his match winning batting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    I've gone into this debate too often, but for me his footwork was not good putting him out if place and leading to diving catches that looked great or else were dropped or not even reached.
    I also thought his stumpings weren't with the speed of a Grout or the precision of a Tallon. So exceptional no, but better than most who have since tried to follow his batsman keeper ways, sure
    Just never got this. He was exceptional standing back and rarely missed stuff, and he had to keep to Warne and MacGill and was incredibly tidy at that as well.

    Modern keepers don't get as much chance to show off their stumping skills because modern batsmen play back in their crease a lot more, and spinners are generally less utilised nowadays anyhow.



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