Actually like this a lot.
Actually like this a lot.
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
Imran is close to Marshall as a fast bowler, but it would be a brave person who would suggest that he was Marshall's equal or better. I do find this a bid odd because Imran's raw bowling stats are superior in some respects. But there you go.There isn't really anything to suggest that Warne was better than Murali (at least as a bowler).
And would you like to make a case as to why Imran would be a level below Marshall, Warne and Sobers as a cricketer?
Imran can't be compared to Warne or Sobers because their skills were completely different. However, we can say that Imran's main opposition to the No.8 spot in the ATG XI team are Richard Hadlee and Mike Procter. And this would be after a convincing case has been made for the mandatory inclusion of a bowling-allrounder in the bottom 4, rather than another pure bowler like Lillee, McGrath, Donald, Akram, Waqar, or Barnes.
01. Victor Trumper 02. Warren Bardsley 03. Clem Hill 04. Charlie Macartney 05. Warwick Armstrong 06. Monty Noble 07. George Giffen 08. Hugh Trumble 09. Jack Blackham 10. Fred Spofforth 11. Ernie Jones
01. Jack Hobbs 02. WG Grace 03. Kumar Ranjitsinhji 04. Johnny Tyldesley 05. Frank Woolley 06. Stanley Jackson 07. Frank Foster 08. Arthur Lilley 09. George Lohmann 10. Tom Richardson 11. Sydney Barnes
The point is that a bowling all rounder who is an ATG fast bowler adds pretty much as much to the side as does another ATG fast bowler and then brings batting to the table. I don't see what Akram, Lillee, Donald, Waqar or McGrath bring to the table that Imran doesn't while being one of the most outstanding leaders in cricket as well as being a very dependable bat. Imran's bowling is pretty much as good as any pure fast bowler so having him in doesn't hurt at all.
I could have gone with Imran as my first change bowler but after some consideration decided that I wanted a medium paced bowler who bowls 'the lot' instead. There are some very good batsman who prefer the ball 'coming onto the bat', and who don't like facing a bowler who moves the ball around at will. So I want a bowler in my team who can capitalise on conditions that are favourable to swing, spin, or both. Add Warne and Sobers, and the attack features a bowler for every type of pitch, condition, or batsman.
Last edited by watson; 30-06-2013 at 02:04 AM.
Imo he is not as far ahead of other bowling allrounders as some would have you believe. Especially when you take a closer look at his batting.
Last edited by Coronis; 30-06-2013 at 02:06 AM.
ATG Test XI
1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. S.R Tendulkar 5. W.R Hammond 6. G.S Sobers 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. Richard Hadlee 9. M.D Marshall 10. S.K Warne 11. G.D McGrath
And they are both not very similar bowlers either. Imran was exceptional at reverse swing whereas Marshall was better at conventional swing. And what does it really matter if the wickets are coming from the corridor or from demolishing their stumps? Maybe Lillee's showmanship and aggression got the Aussie crowd going but if you want to bring that element in then Imran was easily the bigger star (in terms of number of people following him) due to his glamor. And as I said earlier that throughout the 1980s Imran was striking quicker and cheaper than Lillee (who retired in 84 though) or Marshall or Hadlee.
I don't think that any of the top 10 bowlers are ahead of eachother by any meaningful distance. That being the case, we can really choose who we like from the top 10 and not stuff-up. It boils down to the type of team that the selector wants to create.
In this particular study the author gives points out of a 100 to 15 ATG bowlers. At the end of the statistical number crunching Imran scores 81.00/100 and Lillee scores 80.76/100 - a difference of less than 1%;
Blogs: The fearsome fifteen: a look at the great bowlers | Cricket Blogs | ESPN Cricinfo
In other words, it is just about a win-win situation whether you choose Imran or Lillee to partner to Marshall with the new ball.
Last edited by watson; 30-06-2013 at 03:09 PM.
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