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    What was the reason for Worrell, Weekes, Walcott and Sobers getting knighthoods? I can sort of understand Worrell, but the others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    A composite AT XI using recent named XI's in this thread and using XI's listed in sigs shows an interesting trend. No Tendulkar. It's a very small sample but using the teams listed on this page and the XI's of coronis, D.O.G., Watson and myself the only unanimous picks would be Bradman, Sobers and Marshall with Warne and Hobbs just missing from one. Tendulkar made just one of those teams (mine). A composite team would be.

    Jack Hobbs (5)
    Len Hutton (4)
    Don Bradman (6)
    Graeme Pollock (3)
    Viv Richards (3)
    Garry Sobers (6)
    Adam Gilchrist (4)
    Malcolm Marshall (6)
    Shane Warne (5)
    Dennis Lillee (3)
    Glenn McGrath (3)

    As ususal the two middle order slots and the two fast bolwer slots behind Marshall were the closest and most varied contests. After Zimbabwe will do an open vote fo an AT XI similar to the ones conducted for the different nations, or one similar to how Cricinfo did their selection with each person naming their first two XI's with 6 points for a fist team vote and 2 for a place in the second team. Probably the latter.
    Just a reminder, the official team we selected using Benauds method was : Hobbs, Hutton, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran, Marshall, Warne and Mcgrath.
    Which is odd because Tendulkar was voted in a recent CW poll to be the second best batsman after Bradman. I think that Sobers came third.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    A knights XI

    Sir John Berry Hobbs
    Sir Leonard Hutton
    Sir Donald George Bradman*
    Sir Everton de Courcy Weekes
    Sir Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards
    Sir Garfield St Aubrun Sobers
    Sir Clyde Leopold Walcott+
    Sir Ian Terence Botham
    Sir Richard John Hadlee
    Sir H.D.G Leveson Gower
    Sir Alec Victor Bedser

    Needed Leveson Gower for some spin. Was tempted by Cardus.

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    Walter Hammond selected his 'Best Ever XI' while writing 'Cricket My World' (1947). It's quite interesting;

    The trouble with choosing a 'Best Ever' XI is that one does get so side-tracked with memories of the players! But how about this:

    01. Grace
    02. Trumper
    03. Bradman
    04. Ponsford
    05. Ranjitsinhji
    06. Macartney
    07. Gunn
    08. Tate
    09. Spofforth
    10. Oldfield
    11. Blythe

    Not enough bowlers, perhaps? I should like Larwood, Barnes, Gregory - but who to omit? Besides - would the other side ever get them out?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    A knights XI

    Sir John Berry Hobbs
    Sir Leonard Hutton
    Sir Donald George Bradman*
    Sir Everton de Courcy Weekes
    Sir Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards
    Sir Garfield St Aubrun Sobers
    Sir Clyde Leopold Walcott+
    Sir Ian Terence Botham
    Sir Richard John Hadlee
    Sir H.D.G Leveson Gower
    Sir Alec Victor Bedser

    Needed Leveson Gower for some spin. Was tempted by Cardus.
    Sir Wes Hall for Gower? Sobers can bowl spin. It still boggles my mind that Hammond didn't get knighted. Too much shagging, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Walter Hammond selected his 'Best Ever XI' while writing 'Cricket My World' (1947). It's quite interesting;
    No Barnes, O'Reilly, Larwood, Veirty, Grimmett. Hammond was awesome. Nice that he took Macartney. It's always Oldfield for the guys from that era. Must have been something special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyZaltzHair View Post
    Leyland's tour of WI was horrible but doesn't really expose that he had weakness in handling pace. Other English batsmen also failed often in that tour including Hammond. Leyland played fast bowlers like Farnes and Larwood well in county games.
    Fair point that I overlooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    No Barnes, O'Reilly, Larwood, Veirty, Grimmett. Hammond was awesome. Nice that he took Macartney. It's always Oldfield for the guys from that era. Must have been something special.
    Also a moderate surprise was that he rates Maurice Tate as the best pace bowler of 'all time' despite playing along side Larwood;

    But I know this: in my World XI of All-Time, as well as Bradman at No.3, I want Maurice Tate (1924 vintage) to open the bowling.
    He took 2700 wickets and made over 21000 runs; he played in a Test match at 40 years of age; and if you think you know a better cricketer, then let's him of him!
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    Hammond also thought Oldfield as Tallon's superior;

    One man who is sure of his place is Bertie Oldfield behind the stumps. His successor in the Australian side, Don Tallon, holds the record for dismissing 12 men in one match; but no one will ever surpass Oldfield's faultless speed in stumping or his easy way of standing up to fast bowling or co-operating with the slow bowlers.
    Last edited by watson; 24-06-2013 at 03:18 AM.

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    Doesn't Oldfield have some sort of ridiculous stumping record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    Doesn't Oldfield have some sort of ridiculous stumping record.
    54 Tests / 72 caught / 52 stumped

    I dunno, but that looks like an awesome ratio to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    54 Tests / 72 caught / 52 stumped

    I dunno, but that looks like an awesome ratio to me.
    Pretty awesome, however, these are the test wickets taken by Australians while he was playing. Still amazing accomplishment, but we were very spin heavy in his day.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Pietersen View Post
    1. Sir Jack Hobbs
    2. Barry Richards
    3. Sir Donald Bradman
    4. Sir Viv Richards
    5. Sir Garfield Sobers
    6. Graeme Pollock
    7. Alan Knott
    8. Shane Warne
    9. Dennis Lillee
    10. Curtly Ambrose
    11. Malcolm Marshall
    Who gets the new ball?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    Who gets the new ball?
    Lillee at first change just for pissing purpose
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    Mike Procter - even if he didn't get to play enough tests he deserves to be in any ATG XI. 6 centuries in consecutive innings. 4 hat-tricks in his career. Twice he scored a century and took a hat-trick in the same match. Once, scoring a century before lunch and taking a hat-trick later the same day. Unbelievable. WAG.

    Jack Hobbs
    Herb Sutcliffe
    Don Bradman*
    Graeme Pollock
    Wally Hammond
    Garry Sobers
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Mike Procter
    Malcolm Marshall
    Shane Warne
    Glenn McGrath

    Batting all the way down to 10. An amazing pace attack, plus Warne and Sobers. Loving the R-L-R-L combo in the middle order too. 4 excellent slips as well - Hammond, Sobers, Procter and Warne.
    Last edited by Coronis; 27-06-2013 at 12:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Mike Procter - even if he didn't get to play enough tests he deserves to be in any ATG XI. 6 centuries in consecutive innings. 4 hat-tricks in his career. Twice he scored a century and took a hat-trick in the same match. Once, scoring a century before lunch and taking a hat-trick later the same day. Unbelievable. WAG.

    Jack Hobbs
    Herb Sutcliffe
    Don Bradman*
    Graeme Pollock
    Wally Hammond
    Garry Sobers
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Mike Procter
    Malcolm Marshall
    Shane Warne
    Glenn McGrath

    Batting all the way down to 10. An amazing pace attack, plus Warne and Sobers. Loving the R-L-R-L combo in the middle order too. 4 excellent slips as well - Hammond, Sobers, Procter and Warne.
    I've also got Procter in my XI, but i have barry opening instead of sutcliffe, viv for wally and imran for mcgrath.

    1 Jack Hobbs
    2 Barry Richards
    3 Don Bradman
    4 Graeme Pollock
    5 Viv Richards
    6 Garry Sobers
    7 Adam Gilchrist
    8 Mike Procter
    9 Imran Khan
    10 Malcolm Marshall
    11 Shane Warne

    I get the same R-L-R-L combo in the middle order. for the bowling you've got Imran and Marshall bowling right arm fast, Sobers being able to bowl left arm pace as well as left arm orthodox and chinaman, Procter bowling his right arm fast and offies and Warne bowling leg spin. pretty decent coverage with the ball in terms of variation (not suggesting to use Sobers and Procter's spin all the time but it's there if you want it). With the batting they're all pretty aggressive batsmen. You've got a lot of quality slippers with both the Richard's, Sobers, Procter, Warne, Pollock could also field at slip, Hobbs and Bradman were great fielders to.



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