The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[watson]

Drat. Wickets over budget by about 90.

 

[watson]

01. Jack Hobbs
02. Herbert Sutcliffe
03. Don Bradman
04. Graeme Pollock
05. George Headley
06. Frank Worrall
07. Les Ames
08. Mike Procter
09. Malcolm Marshall
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Bill O'Reilly

Now the team sneaks under the budget for Tests and Wickets.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

No bradman

Barnes in for lillee and keep miller for mine. Assuming that fits the budget

 

[kyear2]

01. Jack Hobbs
02. Barry Richards
03. Don Bradman
04.George Headley
05. Graeme Pollock
06. Wally Hammond
07. Les Ames
08. Malcolm Marshall
09. Syd Barnes
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Bill O'Reilly

Now the team sneaks under the budget for Tests and Wickets.

Barry Richards in for Sutcliffe, Barnes in for Procter. Will see if I can upgrade the Worrell spot.

With Headley and Pollock, team looses very little from normal ATG batting lineup.

 

[kyear2]

Will have to do the match to see how Hammond fits in

 

[Prince EWS]

What is the best team you can make within the constraints of the recent cricket budget draft. Here are the rules:


Ignore the flexibility clause. So you have to manage in the original budget limits.

Heh, nice idea.

My standard non-Bradman ATW XI looks like this:

			Tests	Runs	Wickets

WG Grace		22	1098	9
Jack Hobbs		61	5410	1
George Headley		22	2190	0
Sachin Tendulkar	200	15921	46
Wally Hammond		85	7249	83
Garry Sobers		93	8032	235
Adam Gilchrist		96	5570	
Imran Khan		88	3807	362
Richard Hadlee		86	3124	431
Malcolm Marshall	81	1810	376
Muttiah Muralitharan	133	1261	800


TOTAL			967	55472	2343

So yeah, well over. Biggest problems appear to be Tendulkar and Murali, so I'll start by replacing them with two of my great favourites; Nourse and O'Reilly.

That leaves me with:

Tests: 695
Runs: 41660
Wickets: 1641

Which is still way over on everything. Hadlee soaks up more than he's worth; I'll replace him with the second best New Zealand opening bowler of all time, Jack Cowie, who costs me almost nothing.

Tests: 618
Runs: 38626
Wickets: 1255

Getting there, still way over though. I'd really like to keep Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran and Marshall if possible as they're somewhat irreplaceable by players who played a lot less which leaves Hammond next on the chopping block; Pollock an ideal replacement.

Tests: 556
Runs: 33633
Wickets: 1176

Closing in now. Replacing Sobers with Miller gets me really close; if I do that I get...

Tests: 518
Runs: 28559
Wickets: 1111

So 111 wickets and 18 Tests have to go. Looking at the bowling attack, gotta be Marshall I suppose. I'll bring in Barnes. This means I can replace with Jack Cowie with Charlie Turner who I do believe was the slightly better cricketer.

		Tests	Runs	Wickets

WG Grace	22	1098	9
Jack Hobbs	61	5410	1
George Headley	22	2190	0
Dudley Nourse	34	2960	0
Graeme Pollock	23	2256	4
Keith Miller	55	2958	170
Adam Gilchrist	96	5570	0
Imran Khan	88	3807	362
Charlie Turner	17	323	101
Sydney Barnes	27	242	189
Bill O'Reilly	27	410	144
			
TOTAL		472	27224	980

Ended up picking such an old timey side. How unlike me...

 

[Red]

Good to see Charlie Turner getting a run.

 

[fredfertang]

Off hand I'd nominate Jack Cowie as the most underrated player in the history of the game

 

[watson]

No bradman

Barnes in for lillee and keep miller for mine. Assuming that fits the budget

Oh yeah, got overly fixated on the budget. Obviously the 'White Headley' needs to be replaced by the 'Black Bradman'. So I came up with the following team with Alan Davidson being the must have budget left-arm bowling allrounder;

01. Jack Hobbs
02. Barry Richards
03. George Headley
04. Graeme Pollock
05. Frank Worrall
06. Neil Harvey
07. Les Ames
08. Alan Davidson
09. Malcolm Marshall
10. Andy Roberts
11. Bill O' Reilly

Tests = 486
Runs = 26814
Wickets = 986

Would have liked Lindwall or Garner but they pushed the total wickets over the limit - unless the specialist batsmen are just that, specialist batsmen with little ability with ball. So in order to include Worrall I went for Roberts instead. Snow was also another excellent choice at about the 200 wicket mark.

Or Davidson - Lillee - Lindwall - O'Reilly would have done the trick.

 

[watson]

WG Grace
Jack Hobbs
George Headley
Dudley Nourse
Graeme Pollock
Keith Miller
Adam Gilchrist
Imran Khan
Charlie Turner
Sydney Barnes
Bill O'Reilly

A quick offie, two quick leg-break bowlers, and two fast bowlers would have to be a rare kind of attack PEWS.

 

[watson]

Favourite old(ish) timers XI. Would be entertaining if nothing else.

01. Jack Hobbs
02. Victor Trumper
03. George Headley
04. Stan McCabe
05. Garry Sobers
06. Frank Woolley
07. Monty Noble
08. Don Tallon
09. Fred Trueman
10. Wes Hall
11. Sydney Barnes

12th Colin Blythe

 

[the big bambino]

Off hand I'd nominate Jack Cowie as the most underrated player in the history of the game

Yup. Clive Rice too.

 

[Prince EWS]

Off hand I'd nominate Jack Cowie as the most underrated player in the history of the game

Yeah, he's right up there. It's why I chucked him in there so early; turns out I didn't quite need him in the end though.

 

[Red]

- Hobbs
- Hutton
- Bradman
- Tendulkar
- V.Richards
- Sobers
- Gilchrist
- MITCHELL JOHNSON
- Marshall
- Lillee
- O'Reilly

 

[watson]

Due to the sad lack of quality medium pacers in international cricket at the minute, and inspired by Harry Pearson's book, 'The Trundlers', I've put together an ATG XI made up entirely of bowlers who claimed regular wickets without applying significant pace nor spin;

Trundlers XI
01. Graham Gooch
02. Eddie Barlow
03. Ted Dexter
04. Greg Chappell
05. Walter Hammond
06. Doug Walters
07. Clyde Walcott+
08. Monty Noble
09. Maurice Tate
10. Alec Bedser
11. Fazal Mahmood

 

[Eds]

A question:

You're selecting a WK bat for a side of your choosing. Out of the two; Andy Flower or AB De Villiers?

 

[watson]

Probably not much between the two with respect to batting. So it comes down to wicket-keeping ability. I know that PEWS has criticised Flower's keeping ability, but how do we really know that De Villiers is that much better? He probably is, but I'm not sure how you would prove that.

 

[the big bambino]

Due to the sad lack of quality medium pacers in international cricket at the minute, and inspired by Harry Pearson's book, 'The Trundlers', I've put together an ATG XI made up entirely of bowlers who claimed regular wickets without applying significant pace nor spin;

Trundlers XI
01. Graham Gooch
02. Eddie Barlow
03. Ted Dexter
04. Greg Chappell
05. Walter Hammond
06. Doug Walters
07. Clyde Walcott+
08. Monty Noble
09. Maurice Tate
10. Alec Bedser
11. Fazal Mahmood

Vernon?

 

[kyear2]

Probably not much between the two with respect to batting. So it comes down to wicket-keeping ability. I know that PEWS has criticised Flower's keeping ability, but how do we really know that De Villiers is that much better? He probably is, but I'm not sure how you would prove that.

For me, AB is clearly the better keeper. He has really improved since his return to the role.

 

[kyear2]

Due to the sad lack of quality medium pacers in international cricket at the minute, and inspired by Harry Pearson's book, 'The Trundlers', I've put together an ATG XI made up entirely of bowlers who claimed regular wickets without applying significant pace nor spin;

Trundlers XI
01. Graham Gooch
02. Eddie Barlow
03. Ted Dexter
04. Greg Chappell
05. Walter Hammond
06. Doug Walters
07. Clyde Walcott+
08. Monty Noble
09. Maurice Tate
10. Alec Bedser
11. Fazal Mahmood

Think Hammond was pretty quick when he wanted to be, probably Worrell who wasn't particularly quick of spun the ball that much.