The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Days of Grace]

1. Up to December 1930: Jack Hobbs
2. January 1931 - February 1955: Don Bradman
3. February 1955 - December 1965: Alan Davidson
4. January 1966 - February 1977: Dennis Lillee
5. February 1977 - October 1984: Greg Chappell
6. November 1984 - July 1992: Malcolm Marshall
7. July 1992 - December 1997: Shane Warne
8. December 1997 - February 2002: Chris Cairns
9. February 2002 - March 2006: Adam Gilchrist (wk)
10. March 2006 - July 2011: Kevin Pietersen
11. July 2011 on: Haslim Amla



Hobbs
Amla
Don Bradman
Chappell
Pietersen
Gilchrist (wk)
Cairns
Davidson
Marshall
Warne
Lillee

 

[Coronis]

1. Up to December 1930: Jack Hobbs
2. January 1931 - February 1955: Don Bradman
3. February 1955 - December 1965: Garry Sobers
4. January 1966 - February 1977: Greg Chappell
5. February 1977 - October 1984: Richard Hadlee
6. November 1984 - July 1992: Malcolm Marshall
7. July 1992 - December 1997: Shane Warne
8. December 1997 - February 2002: Glenn McGrath
9. February 2002 - March 2006: Adam Gilchrist
10. March 2006 - July 2011: Kumar Sangakkara
11. July 2011 on: Alastair Cook

Hobbs
Cook
Bradman*
Chappell
Sangakkara
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Hadlee
Marshall
Warne
McGrath

My effort.

 

[MartinB]

1. Up to December 1930: Jack Hobbs
2. January 1931 - February 1955: Don Bradman
3. February 1955 - December 1965: Alan Davidson
4. January 1966 - February 1977: Dennis Lillee
5. February 1977 - October 1984: Greg Chappell
6. November 1984 - July 1992: Malcolm Marshall
7. July 1992 - December 1997: Shane Warne
8. December 1997 - February 2002: Chris Cairns
9. February 2002 - March 2006: Adam Gilchrist (wk)
10. March 2006 - July 2011: Kevin Pietersen
11. July 2011 on: Haslim Amla



Hobbs
Amla
Don Bradman
Chappell
Pietersen
Gilchrist (wk)
Cairns
Davidson
Marshall
Warne
Lillee

Like the Batting strength of the Tail, a variation would be to Miller (Haddle / Imran) instead of Cairns. Miller would fit quite nicely as 46 to 55

 

[The Battlers Prince]

1. Up to December 1930: Victor Trumper
2. January 1931 - February 1955: George Headley
3. February 1955 - December 1965: Wally Grout
4. January 1966 - February 1977: Sunil Gavaskar
5. February 1977 - October 1984: Allan Border
6. November 1984 - July 1992: Imran Khan
7. July 1992 - December 1997: Shane Warne
8. December 1997 - February 2002: Allan Donald
9. February 2002 - March 2006: Brian Lara
10.March 2006 - July 2011: Jacques Kallis
11. July 2011 on: Vernon Philander

1 Trumper
2 Gavaskar
3 Headley
4 Lara
5 Kallis(5)
6 Border*
7 Khan(3)
8 Warne(4)
9 Philander (2)
10 Grout+
11 Donald (1)

 

[kyear2]

Australia ATG XI
Arthur Morris {81}
Robert Simpson(5)^ {44} / Victor Trumper {62}
Sir Donald Bradman* {1}
Greg Chappell^ {11}
Ricky Ponting {10} / Keith Miller {/}
Allan Border {19}
Adam Gilchrist+ {28}
Alan Davidson(3)
Shane Warne(4)^
Denis Lillee(1)
Glenn McGrath(2)

West Indies ATG XI
Gordon Greenidge {46}
Sir Conrad Hunte {/}
George Headley* {13*}
Sir I.V.A. Richards^ {6}
Brian Lara^ {4}
Sir Garfield Sobers(5)^ {2}
Sir Clyde Walcott+ {22}
Malcolm Marshall(1)
Michael Holding(3)
Curtly Ambrose(2)
Joel Garner(4)

South Africa ATG XI
Barry Richards^ {/*}
Graeme Smith*^ {49}
Hashim Amla {30} / Aubrey Faulkner {56}
Graeme Pollock {35*}
Jacques Kallis(5)^ {12}
Dudley Nourse {27}
Michael Procter(3)
John Waite+
Hugh Tayfield(4)
Dale Steyn(2)
Alan Donald (1)

England ATG XI
Sir Jack Hobbs {2}
Sir Leonard Hutton {7}
Walter Hammond^ {5}
Denis Compton {33}
Ken Barrington {16}
Sir Ian Botham(5)^ {/}
Allan Knott+
Harold Larwood(2)
Jim Laker(4)
Fred Trueman(1)
Sydney Barnes(3)

Pakistan ATG XI
Saeed Anwar {47}
Hanif Mohammad {70}
Younis Khan^ {31}
Javed Miandad^ {23}
Inzamam Ul-Haq^ {21}
Mushtaq Mohammad(5) {/}
Imran Khan(2)*
Rashid Latif+
Wasim Akram(3)
Saqlain Mushtaq(4)
Waqar Youis(1)

Added with DoG batting ratings and alternates showing the CW selected players and their batting ratings.

 

[kyear2]

AT XI Players less than 50 tests

Barry Richards^
Bruce Mitchell^
George Headley*
Graeme Pollock
Everton Weekes^
Clyde Walcott
Les Ames +
Mike Procter
Alan Davidson
Bill O'Reilly
Colin Croft

Hard on Larwood and Verity and would give any team a run for it's money.

 

[Red]

Hard on Larwood

Cool nickname

 

[kyear2]

to follow on from the discussion in Smali's thread and not to derail that one, there are a couple of reasons why Wasim isn't as highly rated on CW, but we have been through that before. I agree with Monk to a certain extent that I don't have that much of a problem with Akran making the Cricinfo's team. That is if he was selected because of his versatility and the ability to reverse swing the old ball and not because he was the third best bowler of All Time.

So basically which is the better attack ours or Cricinfo's

CW
Marshall, McGrath, Imran, Warne

or

Cricinfo
Marshall, Lillee, Akram, Warne

 

[Red]

It's splitting hairs because I'd be more than happy with either attack really.

I'm a massive fan of Lillee, and my preferred attack would be Lillee, McGrath, Wasim and Warne.

But really, any of the top 15 pacemen aren't worth arguing over.

 

[The Battlers Prince]

AT XI Players less than 50 tests

Barry Richards^
Bruce Mitchell^
George Headley*
Graeme Pollock
Everton Weekes^
Clyde Walcott
Les Ames +
Mike Procter
Alan Davidson
Bill O'Reilly
Colin Croft

Hard on Larwood and Verity and would give any team a run for it's money.

Sid Barnes close as an opening bat maybe for Mitchell

 

[harsh.ag]

Sid Barnes was the first name in my head too.

 

[harsh.ag]

All Teams ODI ATXI

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Australia

Adam Gilchrist (w)
Matthew Hayden

Ricky Ponting
Dean Jones
Michael Bevan
Michael Hussey
Shane Watson

Brett Lee
Shane Warne (c)
Nathan Bracken/Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath

Notes: I don't know how to choose from Bracken and Lillee. Symonds could be chosen over Watson, but I wanted a more stable fifth bowler. Have to have Warne as the skipper.

______________________
South Africa

Gary Kirsten (c)
Hashim Amla

Jacques Kallis
AB De Villiers (w)
Herschelle Gibbs
Hansie Cronje

Lance Klusener
Shaun Pollock

Dale Steyn
Morne Morkel
Allan Donald

Notes: Cracking pace battery. There were many hard choices here. Cullinan, McMillan, Adams as the spinning option, Dippenaar, Smith, Rhodes. But I like this. Cronje's place is the most shaky, of course. So is Steyn's (which seems ridiculous on its face)! Kirsten has proved himself a great strategist.

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India

Sachin Tendulkar
Sourav Ganguly

Virat Kohli
Virender Sehwag
Yuvraj Singh
Suresh Raina
M S Dhoni (w) (c)

Kapil Dev
Ajit Agarkar
Javagal Srinath
Anil Kumble

Notes: Zaheer is unlucky to miss out. I won't mind him replacing either Agarkar or Srinath. Fifth bowler to be a mix of Yuvi, Raina, Sehwag, Tendulkar and Sourav (all of them have bowled, even Kohli for that matter!!)

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Pakistan

Saeed Anwar
Younis Khan

Inzamam ul-Haq
Javed Miandad
Mohammad Yousuf

Imran Khan (c)
Abdul Razzaq
Rashid Latif (w)

Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mushtaq
Waqar Younis

Notes: Afridi misses out, Razzaq being the more stable all-round choice. I went for Younis as the opener because I can't think of a single player better than him for that, even Sohail.

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West Indies

Gordon Greenidge
Chris Gayle

Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Clive Lloyd (c)
Garfield Sobers/Rohan Kanhai

Jeffrey Dujon (w)

Malcolm Marshall
Joel Garner
Michael Holding
Curtly Ambrose

Notes: I am cheating here, but who cares when I can technically select Sobers. Plus I can't think of anybody else, and Gayle's not a good enough fifth bowling option. If pressed, then I would take Kanhai and risk Gayle.

______________________
New Zealand

Stephen Fleming (c)
Nathan Astle

Martin Crowe
Ross Taylor
Roger Twose
Brendon McCullum (w)
Chris Cairns

Richard Hadlee
Daniel Vettori
Kyle Mills
Shane Bond

Notes: Styris, who has been magnificent, has to miss out, though I would really like him there.

______________________
Sri Lanka

Sanath Jayasuriya
Tilakrathne Dilshan

Kumar Sangakkara
Mahela Jayawardene
Aravinda de Silva
Arjuna Ranaunga (c)
Prasanna Jayawardene (w)

Chaminda Vaas
Upul Chandana
Lasith Malinga
Muttiah Muralitharan

Notes: Pretty easy. Maybe Sanga can be keeper and somebody like Angelo Matthews could be put there.

______________________
England

Marcus Trescothick
Alec Stewart (w) (c)

Jonathan Trott
Kevin Pietersen
Allan Lamb
Eoin Morgan
Andrew Flintoff

Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
Darren Gough
Derek Underwood

Notes: This was tough. First, leaving out Nick Knight for the purpose of accommodating Allan Lamb. Then taking in two spinners, instead of say, Botham or Collingwood. There are many options.

 

[Howe_zat]

Has Trott captained at any level?

 

[sumantra]

All Teams ODI ATXI

______________________

______________________
India

Sachin Tendulkar
Sourav Ganguly

Virat Kohli
Virender Sehwag
Yuvraj Singh
Suresh Raina
M S Dhoni (w) (c)

Kapil Dev
Ajit Agarkar
Javagal Srinath
Anil Kumble

Notes: Zaheer is unlucky to miss out. I won't mind him replacing either Agarkar or Srinath. Fifth bowler to be a mix of Yuvi, Raina, Sehwag, Tendulkar and Sourav (all of them have bowled, even Kohli for that matter!!)

______________________

I would make 3 changes there, Rahul Dravid in place of Sehwag, Mohm. Azharuddin in place of Suresh Raina and Zaheer Khan in place of Ajit Agarkar....and the order would also change a bit...

Sachin Tendulkar
Sourav Ganguly
Virat Kohli
Mohm. Azharuddin
Rahul Dravid
Yuvraj Singh
Kapil Dev
M. S. Dhoni
Javagal Srinath
Zaheer Khan
Anil Kumble

 

[harsh.ag]

Has Trott captained at any level?

Nope. Sorry, yeah I think Stewart should be captain of that side. Will make the change.

 

[OverratedSanity]

@harsh Agarkar instead I'd Zaheer? You've got to be kidding me. Zaheer was the prime reason we won the world cup. More than Yuvraj, more than Tendulkar, Zaheer produced the key wickets virtually every time we needed one. Brilliant with the new ball, best in the world at reversing the old ball, and practically without exception he got a breakthrough with his 2nd spell with the old ball. And you're ignoring this man for some skinny little medium pacer who got loads of wickets in meaningless ODIs? For shame

And I'm not even mentioning how expensive Agarkar always was regardless of whether he took wickets or not

 

[OverratedSanity]

@harsh Agarkar instead of Zaheer? You've got to be kidding me. Zaheer was the prime reason we won the world cup. More than Yuvraj, more than Tendulkar, Zaheer produced the key wickets virtually every time we needed one. Brilliant with the new ball, best in the world at reversing the old ball, and practically without exception he got a breakthrough with his 2nd spell with the old ball. And you're ignoring this man for some skinny little medium pacer who got loads of wickets in meaningless ODIs? For shame

And I'm not even mentioning how expensive Agarkar always was regardless of whether he took wickets or not

 

[OverratedSanity]

Such a massive travesty deserves a double post

 

[harsh.ag]

@harsh Agarkar instead of Zaheer? You've got to be kidding me. Zaheer was the prime reason we won the world cup. More than Yuvraj, more than Tendulkar, Zaheer produced the key wickets virtually every time we needed one. Brilliant with the new ball, best in the world at reversing the old ball, and practically without exception he got a breakthrough with his 2nd spell with the old ball. And you're ignoring this man for some skinny little medium pacer who got loads of wickets in meaningless ODIs? For shame

And I'm not even mentioning how expensive Agarkar always was regardless of whether he took wickets or not

Read my notes on the Indian Team - I will reproduce it here

Notes: Zaheer is unlucky to miss out. I won't mind him replacing either Agarkar or Srinath. Fifth bowler to be a mix of Yuvi, Raina, Sehwag, Tendulkar and Sourav (all of them have bowled, even Kohli for that matter!!)

I don't feel so strongly about it. Zaheer's peak, though fantastic, was quite short, and he hasn't been nearly the same either side of it. Srinath and Agarkar were, for a long time, good in attacks which didn't provide them much support. And Agarkar's wicket taking capacity is quite invaluable, I think.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Fair enough. I do admit I rate Zaheer above Agarkar mainly just for that awesome world cup show, but Agarkar was just a bit too expensive for my liking. Never knew if he would get 4-40 or 1-80. He was capable of losing us the match just as he was of winning one