*Official* New Zealand in India 2010 - Page 30

Howsie · 26-10-2010, 02:49 PM

Nathan McCullum isn't good enough for test cricket, period. He's a bits & pieces cricketer who would look way out of his depth at test level.

Anyway, if the New Zealand selectors had any sense they wouldn't play Jeetan Patel unless Vettori got injured, or one of the pitches was suppose to be a massive turner. I think most of us agree that Patel is going to be rather ineffective during this series, we can only hope the selectors see that too. Kane Williamson didn't exactly get through a lot of overs last season in domestic cricket - I think it was about 15 overs a game on average but he's good enough to do more IMO. Yeah, he doesn't exactly keep it tight but he looks to take wickets. He gives it plenty of flight and gives the ball a decent rip, give him 15-20 overs a day and he'll do well enough.

irottev · 26-10-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeGee

Patel is in the team as a specialist 12th man. Have you seen him deliver spare batting gloves and drinks to the batsmen between overs? He's world class, none better. Playing him out of position would be a disaster, imo.

Hahaha too true.

As for N McCullum he has attitude problems anyway. He's a nobody player yet i've heard he sledges other players and stuff. You saw him do it vs Bangladesh when we were getting raped. He also throws the ball unnecessarily hard to the keeper which is a broken finger waiting to happen because he needs an ego boost seeing himself throwing the ball fast. Him and Patel are both useless ****s.

Oh and Shri, no i'm not Jeets haha, Jeets is Jeetan Patel's nickname.

Chewie · 26-10-2010, 03:48 PM

N McCullum isn't a 'nobody player', he just wouldn't be useful in test cricket. His T20I record is pretty decent, especially his economy rate of 6.45, and over the past year in ODI cricket he averages 34.5 at an economy rate of 4.2. This compares rather favourably to other spinners who have bowled in at least 5 innings over the past year, especially when you remove associate bowlers Statsguru. He can also bat alright down the order, though more often than not gets out before getting in. His record shows that he is a useful bowler to have in short form cricket; much more useful than Jeetan. And he is better than other bits and pieces players used by NZ recently (Diamanti, Thomson). But I do agree, he wouldn't be useful in test cricket.

Halfpast_Yellow · 26-10-2010, 05:32 PM

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Vettori should lock Ryder in a cage for a week before the first test, poking him with a pointy stick every hour. Then unleash him on the poor unsuspecting Indians.

Haha, this is excellent.

vcs · 26-10-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeGee

Kane Williamson is as good a FC spin bowler as McCullum or Patel, and he's a hell of a lot better batsman. I'd like to see him playing in that no. 6 spot as a genuine all-rounder.

Patel is in the team as a specialist 12th man. Have you seen him deliver spare batting gloves and drinks to the batsmen between overs? He's world class, none better. Playing him out of position would be a disaster, imo.

Hurricane · 27-10-2010, 02:04 AM

Hoping that Southee gets the new ball and doesn't get replaced by Bennett or McKay. Southee needs to play as much as possible to build his experience. He is gradually getting more and more Savvy. I remember one inning against Hussey where he bowled nicely cross seam against the left hander before trying to swing one in - and Hussey was all over it and clipped it away for two. Southee doesn't make mistakes like that any more. Reckon he is our future. If we are lucky he could end up taking 150 wickets maybe 200 if he sticks around.

Hurricane · 27-10-2010, 02:04 AM

Hoping that Southee gets the new ball and doesn't get replaced by Bennett or McKay. Southee needs to play as much as possible to build his experience. He is gradually getting more and more Savvy. I remember one inning against Hussey where he bowled nicely cross seam against the left hander before trying to swing one in - and Hussey was all over it and clipped it away for two. Southee doesn't make mistakes like that any more. Reckon he is our future. If we are lucky he could end up taking 150 wickets maybe 200 if he sticks around.

Kylez · 27-10-2010, 02:32 AM

Are Foxsports covering this series?

India will almost deafinitely win this series, I wouldn't rule out a few drawn test matches though. New Zealand are known to stand up and perform when they are against India or when things are going really bad for them in recent times. Is Southee a genuine exciting prospect for NZ? I haven't seen much of his bowling but he looks like a bit of a pie serving seam up bowler at times, having said that, his outswinger is one of the better ones going around at the moment.

Hurricane · 27-10-2010, 02:52 AM

He's not good enough for the Australian team. He wouldn't crack Pakistan either ahead of Umar Gul.
Good enough for NZ though.

Just good to watch someone improve.

Flem274* · 27-10-2010, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kylez

Are Foxsports covering this series?

India will almost deafinitely win this series, I wouldn't rule out a few drawn test matches though. New Zealand are known to stand up and perform when they are against India or when things are going really bad for them in recent times. Is Southee a genuine exciting prospect for NZ? I haven't seen much of his bowling but he looks like a bit of a pie serving seam up bowler at times, having said that, his outswinger is one of the better ones going around at the moment.

Genuine prospect, but still learning how to bowl when it's not swinging or seaming.

Only 21 or so so plenty of time left.

Flem274* · 27-10-2010, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hurricane

He's not good enough for the Australian team. He wouldn't crack Pakistan either ahead of Umar Gul.
Good enough for NZ though.

Just good to watch someone improve.

He's 21 years old. Of course he wouldn't crack the Australian test side.

Chewie · 27-10-2010, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Flem274*

Genuine prospect, but still learning how to bowl when it's not swinging or seaming.

Only 21 or so so plenty of time left.

AWTA

He's bowled some great spells for New Zealand while at other times he can be completely wayward and not helpful at all. His best domestic figures which he achieved last season were pretty amazing too - 8/27 or something iirc.

Hurricane · 27-10-2010, 03:28 AM

What I like about Southee is that after he bowls a good ball - he just tries to bowl another one. He doesn't try to bowl the perfect delivery that starts on leg and hits off - he just tries to be consistently good.

irottev · 27-10-2010, 04:21 AM

Yeah, we need to be patient with Southee. I think he has a bit of x-factor. You never really know what you'll get at the moment, but on his day he can be deadly. It's just making him more consistent and confident. Same story with the bat really.

Howsie · 27-10-2010, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kylez

Is Southee a genuine exciting prospect for NZ? I haven't seen much of his bowling but he looks like a bit of a pie serving seam up bowler at times, having said that, his outswinger is one of the better ones going around at the moment.

It probably says more about the dire fast bowling stocks in New Zealand then Tim Southee's actual ability right now but at 21 Southee is probably New Zealand's best test bowler - so yeah he's a rather exciting prospect for New Zealand.

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Originally Posted by irottev

Yeah, we need to be patient with Southee. I think he has a bit of x-factor. You never really know what you'll get at the moment, but on his day he can be deadly. It's just making him more consistent and confident. Same story with the bat really.

Unless he's serving up some absolute rubbish for a good period of time New Zealand have to stick with him for Test cricket - much like England did with Stuart Broad. It'll take some time but he'll get there, he has too much going for him not to become world class imo.

27-10-2010, 02:04 AM	#441 (permalink)
Hurricane International Captain Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wellington Posts: 7,359	Hoping that Southee gets the new ball and doesn't get replaced by Bennett or McKay. Southee needs to play as much as possible to build his experience. He is gradually getting more and more Savvy. I remember one inning against Hussey where he bowled nicely cross seam against the left hander before trying to swing one in - and Hussey was all over it and clipped it away for two. Southee doesn't make mistakes like that any more. Reckon he is our future. If we are lucky he could end up taking 150 wickets maybe 200 if he sticks around. __________________ Munro watch: Auckland 47,103, 27, 269*, 59, 118 Tests 0,15

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Hurricane International Captain Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wellington Posts: 7,359	What I like about Southee is that after he bowls a good ball - he just tries to bowl another one. He doesn't try to bowl the perfect delivery that starts on leg and hits off - he just tries to be consistently good. Last edited by Hurricane; 27-10-2010 at 04:05 AM.

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26-10-2010, 02:49 PM	#436 (permalink)
Howsie International Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NZ Posts: 4,535	Nathan McCullum isn't good enough for test cricket, period. He's a bits & pieces cricketer who would look way out of his depth at test level. Anyway, if the New Zealand selectors had any sense they wouldn't play Jeetan Patel unless Vettori got injured, or one of the pitches was suppose to be a massive turner. I think most of us agree that Patel is going to be rather ineffective during this series, we can only hope the selectors see that too. Kane Williamson didn't exactly get through a lot of overs last season in domestic cricket - I think it was about 15 overs a game on average but he's good enough to do more IMO. Yeah, he doesn't exactly keep it tight but he looks to take wickets. He gives it plenty of flight and gives the ball a decent rip, give him 15-20 overs a day and he'll do well enough.

26-10-2010, 03:48 PM	#438 (permalink)
Chewie U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 540	N McCullum isn't a 'nobody player', he just wouldn't be useful in test cricket. His T20I record is pretty decent, especially his economy rate of 6.45, and over the past year in ODI cricket he averages 34.5 at an economy rate of 4.2. This compares rather favourably to other spinners who have bowled in at least 5 innings over the past year, especially when you remove associate bowlers Statsguru. He can also bat alright down the order, though more often than not gets out before getting in. His record shows that he is a useful bowler to have in short form cricket; much more useful than Jeetan. And he is better than other bits and pieces players used by NZ recently (Diamanti, Thomson). But I do agree, he wouldn't be useful in test cricket.

27-10-2010, 02:04 AM	#442 (permalink)
Hurricane International Captain Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wellington Posts: 7,359	Hoping that Southee gets the new ball and doesn't get replaced by Bennett or McKay. Southee needs to play as much as possible to build his experience. He is gradually getting more and more Savvy. I remember one inning against Hussey where he bowled nicely cross seam against the left hander before trying to swing one in - and Hussey was all over it and clipped it away for two. Southee doesn't make mistakes like that any more. Reckon he is our future. If we are lucky he could end up taking 150 wickets maybe 200 if he sticks around.

27-10-2010, 02:32 AM	#443 (permalink)
Kylez State Vice-Captain Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Shire Posts: 1,392	Are Foxsports covering this series? India will almost deafinitely win this series, I wouldn't rule out a few drawn test matches though. New Zealand are known to stand up and perform when they are against India or when things are going really bad for them in recent times. Is Southee a genuine exciting prospect for NZ? I haven't seen much of his bowling but he looks like a bit of a pie serving seam up bowler at times, having said that, his outswinger is one of the better ones going around at the moment.

27-10-2010, 02:52 AM	#444 (permalink)
Hurricane International Captain Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wellington Posts: 7,359	He's not good enough for the Australian team. He wouldn't crack Pakistan either ahead of Umar Gul. Good enough for NZ though. Just good to watch someone improve.

27-10-2010, 04:21 AM	#449 (permalink)
irottev U19 Cricketer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 435	Yeah, we need to be patient with Southee. I think he has a bit of x-factor. You never really know what you'll get at the moment, but on his day he can be deadly. It's just making him more consistent and confident. Same story with the bat really.

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