raina, sharma, pandey, pujara, rahane, tiwary, vijay, kohli, mukund and the older badrinath, gambhir is already doing well, sehwag is there. we're yet to see enough of the younger ones (and badri) at the international level to say whether they'll fill the void or fall short.
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After Sachin, the deluge??
- Thread starter Sir Alex
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BoyBrumby
Englishman
French monarchs a rare blind spot in my otherwise encyclopedic knowledge of everything.BoyBrumby, it's Louis XV btw.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
On the other hand, if he can tighten up outside the offstump (hardly too much to ask and something many ppl have improved on over the years), I think he is one of the best bets to be the dominating game setting batsman for us at #4 after Sachin's time...
IN the matches we have seen so far, he has pretty much looked a class apart handling short and quick stuff. He is not as good as some others around the world, but he is EASILY the best among the Indian specialist bats, closely followed by Dhoni but then again, he is a batter/keeper, so not counting him among the specialists.
IN the matches we have seen so far, he has pretty much looked a class apart handling short and quick stuff. He is not as good as some others around the world, but he is EASILY the best among the Indian specialist bats, closely followed by Dhoni but then again, he is a batter/keeper, so not counting him among the specialists.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
But I think that is the reality.. I am yet to see real evidence of Rohit doing anything worthwhile with the pull shot but have seen plenty from Yuvi.. And for my money, Yuvi looks a lot less rushed while playing the quick and short stuff than Rohit...
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Yuvraj looks good against the short ball on wickets with regular bounce though. Not steep bounce.
I still remember him looking all at sea in this game 6th ODI: India v Australia at Nagpur, Oct 14, 2007 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com, before Hogg got him out with a full toss.
7.1
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, no run, banged in short, Yuvraj goes for the pull but misses. He played the shot too early and didnt keep an eye on the ball
37.2
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, no run, bangs it in short again, hits Yuvraj on the ribs and rolls away to the off side
37.3
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, 1 leg bye, another short delivery,. another attempted pull. This time the ball gets him on the shoulder and rolls to the off side
switches to round the wicket to Dravid
37.4
Johnson to Dravid, 1 run, short of a length, comes in with the angle, Dravid swivels and pulls to fine leg
37.5
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, 1 wide, attempted yorker, however Johnson cant contol the swing as the ball slides down the leg side
37.5
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, no run, yorker length on legstump, Yuvraj shapes to flick it to the on side but the ball strikes him on the pad instead
37.6
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, 1 run, holds the length back, Yuvraj gets in position early for the pull and connects. The ball goes to deep square leg
And very harsh to claim Rohit hasn't done anything worthwhile. He's only really been tested at the T20 WC in 09, his tour to Australia in 07/08 (which he played very well) and the current T20 WC, where he has done pretty well.
I still remember him looking all at sea in this game 6th ODI: India v Australia at Nagpur, Oct 14, 2007 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com, before Hogg got him out with a full toss.
7.1
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, no run, banged in short, Yuvraj goes for the pull but misses. He played the shot too early and didnt keep an eye on the ball
37.2
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, no run, bangs it in short again, hits Yuvraj on the ribs and rolls away to the off side
37.3
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, 1 leg bye, another short delivery,. another attempted pull. This time the ball gets him on the shoulder and rolls to the off side
switches to round the wicket to Dravid
37.4
Johnson to Dravid, 1 run, short of a length, comes in with the angle, Dravid swivels and pulls to fine leg
37.5
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, 1 wide, attempted yorker, however Johnson cant contol the swing as the ball slides down the leg side
37.5
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, no run, yorker length on legstump, Yuvraj shapes to flick it to the on side but the ball strikes him on the pad instead
37.6
Johnson to Yuvraj Singh, 1 run, holds the length back, Yuvraj gets in position early for the pull and connects. The ball goes to deep square leg
And very harsh to claim Rohit hasn't done anything worthwhile. He's only really been tested at the T20 WC in 09, his tour to Australia in 07/08 (which he played very well) and the current T20 WC, where he has done pretty well.
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Teja.
Global Moderator
From what I've seen, there are two kinds of problems against the short ball on a rocky bouncy pitch, One is of the Murali Vijay Variety where the batsman is extremely uncomfortable and nerveless against the short ball, gets out very cheaply, sometimes edging short 'uns for four. The second is the Yuvraj Singh Variety who has the time to play the short ball but has epically pathetic shot selection and hits it straight to the fielder, edges it to the keeper. So, Yuvraj Singh, despite looking more 'confident' against the short ball is not very effective.
mohammad16
U19 Captain
Honestly we need a couple of batting superstars to emerge from the Subcontinent, there is no one in the Indian ranks that yells out greatness down the road. Pakistan has Umar Akmal but I just dont see him as a pure test batsmen.
Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
I am still Unsure about Kohli and Vijay being consistent batsmen at the top.Specially at the test level.
I am more convivnced by Rohit and Raina than them ,specially Raina .Rohit though looks good is still to show his effectiveness and his mental strength is a doubt .
Though i think he would be better suited in the test level ,though his ability to get big scores even in First class level is a doubt.
I disagree with you on Pandey completely.The lad will be a star sooner rather than later .Even Dravid spoke very highly of him which is a excellent and hard compliment to get.
And if you saw his innings in the Ranji Trophy Final you would realise where i am coming from. Better than any of the above has played in a first class match on a last day ptich.
I am confident on Badrinath coming good too.He may not look good and be aesthetically pleasing as Vijay or Rohit ,but he is effective.
And despite getting criticism for his first two tests ,people tend to forget he scored 50 in his debut innings in a innings where the team was struggling. against arguably the best pace attack in the world on not the easiest of pitches.
More than what Murali "i look good better" vijay has done in his 5 tests.
He also showed a different attacking dimension this IPL.
In terms of test batsmen for the short term ,not write off Mohammed Kaif as well.Scoring big runs in FC cricket and was harshly treated the last time at the test level due to his ODI form. He scored a very good knock in his last match against Australia.Though he may not be glamorous he could be effective in the short term.
Keep your eye ON Cheteshwar Pujara too .Has been promoted to the Position of India A Captain and is being readied for international cricket hopefully.Very Impressive Batsmen. Been the top scorer for a couple of season now in the second league in the Ranji Trophy.
Among others there are Abhinav Mukund , Shikhar Dhawan, Manoj Tiwary, Saurabh Tiwary, Tanmaya Srivastava and Even Ambatti rayudu could be a dark horse.
Anhinav Mukund stands out in this bunch and for me was unfair when Vijay was selected ahead of him from the Tamil Nadu team.
Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
To be fair I am more worried about the Fast Bowling Departement still than the Batsmen.
There are a number of Batsmen India can test in the domestic level.There is a large reservoir and even of spinners.But Fast bowlers there are not many options that u can depend on. Zaheer's rise has coincided with India getting to number 1.Never underestimate his role in getting there.
There are a number of Batsmen India can test in the domestic level.There is a large reservoir and even of spinners.But Fast bowlers there are not many options that u can depend on. Zaheer's rise has coincided with India getting to number 1.Never underestimate his role in getting there.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
lol... At least chennai has good bounce and carry, unlike some of the other pitches in the country. I think Badri and Vijay will come good. Vijay seems to be the sort of guy who gets carried away...
And about the short ball issue, as I remarked in the T20 WC thread, it is one thing getting out of the way and being able to survive but another to have to score of quick and short bowling... Most of our batsmen (and dare I say, most batsmen around the world) cannto do the latter but can do the former.. I still think Gambhir, Vijay, Rohit and Kohli can get around to become decent defensive players of the short ball... It is when you have to hit those balls that it becomes an issue. Dinesh Karthik, Yuvi and Badri are blokes I think can become good pullers of the ball... So I wont be worried about the short ball weakness for tests and to an extent, ODIs.. T20s are different though.. I think we are gonna suck at it for the foreseeable future..
Sir Alex
Banned
Frankly, the way Yuvraj plays the short ones, suggest anything but confidence. He basically swivel pulls, no balance, takes his eyes of the ball, and his head is tilted at 90 degrees with his face facing the pitch at the time the ball makes contact with the bat.
I think it's basically one massive swipe with the bat, hoping it makes contact.
Of course this all changes on a slow pitch where the ball hardly rises above neck level and even if it does it becomes a lolly free hit on the leg side.
Sir Alex
Banned
Don't forget the contributions of Sree and Ish too. They might have been poo in limited overs. But India owes a few wins in the last two or three years to them as well.
How I wish both of them had a long stint in the county circuit this relatively off season. They've been so demoraliped by the terrible bowling pitches that they had to bowl in. Remember how Zak benefited from his stint, basically marked his transformation from a has been to our strike bowler.