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    Must say that'd completely passed me by that Lumb has done so well of late. Will have to take a closer look there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    Big game for him tomorow and I think he will respons well to the pressure.
    On a side-note it's a damn good job this squad was announced yesterday and not tomorrow as I imagine that now Michael Yardy has played the first good OD innings of his career on TV in a Lord's final that he might well have been picked in it.

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    I'd much sooner see two from Moore/Denly/Trott open than Strauss and Cook, that's for sure. Haven't really seen much of Lumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpski View Post
    I'd much sooner see two from Moore/Denly/Trott open than Strauss and Cook, that's for sure. Haven't really seen much of Lumb.
    Dont mind Strauss opening, England dont have the luxury of a quality aggressive opener since Trescothick is gone. So you need a proper opener at least, Strauss is a safe bet for now.

    For his partner well, a big fan of Denly not sure when is his time will come though. Not sure about Trott opening in ODI cricket, i like what Moore has been doing recently though, but i'm yet to see him bat on any County game on sky, that im lucky to catch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool View Post
    Interestingly enough hes averaging 40 odd in the last 3 seasons and hes got a decent SR to go with it. Bit disappointed that he looks like another English player whos incapable of winning games considering his conversion rate, but maybe the English selectors have finally turned the corner and gone against their daft policy of your best test players are also your best limited overs players?
    Yeah Lumb is a very decent one day player but having watched him for the past three years I would be amazed if he ever made many runs at interntational level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    Dont mind Strauss opening, England dont have the luxury of a quality aggressive opener since Trescothick is gone. So you need a proper opener at least, Strauss is a safe bet for now.

    For his partner well, a big fan of Denly not sure when is his time will come though. Not sure about Trott opening in ODI cricket, i like what Moore has been doing recently though, but i'm yet to see him bat on any County game on sky, that im lucky to catch.
    Quote Originally Posted by stumpski View Post
    I'd much sooner see two from Moore/Denly/Trott open than Strauss and Cook, that's for sure. Haven't really seen much of Lumb.
    Moore's a ridiculously bad one day player and Denly's about as good as Strauss and Cook, if not fractionally worse. Everyone seems to know that Strauss and Cook are First Class specialists but the alternatives they call for always seem to be even more that way inclined. Odd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Moore's a ridiculously bad one day player and Denly's about as good as Strauss and Cook, if not fractionally worse. Everyone seems to know that Strauss and Cook are First Class specialists but the alternatives they call for always seem to be even more that way inclined. Odd.
    I am uncertain as to why we are talking about Cook for limited overs, when Bopara is the man in possession of that opening slot in ODIs. I think that England should consider opening with Davies who looks to be having another excellent season with the bat this year in the LO format, although I suspect that they won't drop Prior considering that he compiled his highest score of his career in his last ODI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpski View Post
    I'd much sooner see two from Moore/Denly/Trott open than Strauss and Cook, that's for sure. Haven't really seen much of Lumb.
    Don't believe Strauss or Cook are much use as ODI openers, but nor would I expect Denly to have any success there - he just isn't very good at OD cricket. Trott isn't an opener, he's a number-three or four, and Moore never gets to open for Worcs either because they prefer Solanki and Davies - he's forced to bat three and from memory has had precious little success doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Moore's a ridiculously bad one day player and Denly's about as good as Strauss and Cook, if not fractionally worse. Everyone seems to know that Strauss and Cook are First Class specialists but the alternatives they call for always seem to be even more that way inclined. Odd.
    Not really - grass is always greener. Often the way in England is to try someone believing - based on their First-Class performances - that they're good and only find-out how bad they are after they play ODIs.

    It does happen elsewhere as well, I just get more annoyed than ever about it with England players.

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    I'm probably in the minority when I say that I feel that Cook could end up being a quite brilliant OD opener one day. Obviously a little while ago there was the whole business of him never hitting an international 6 and not being able to bat aggressively enough but lately he's started to show that he is developing a way to play in limited overs cricket.
    From memory he's hit some impressive scores for Essex at a high SR this season in the FP and/or T20.

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    I had high hopes for Cook as a ODI batsman back in 2007 too, but they've since been extinguished. Since I've seen him bat regularly in the shorter game I just think he's far too rigid a player for success there - he's only really capable of hitting the ball where it should go, and good OD batsmen need to be able to maneouvre a ball somewhere that it should not be hit to. He's also not a player with a particularly wide range - bowl short to him and he'll smack you, bowl very full outside off there's a good chance he'll smack you (though he hits more to the cover fielders than I'd like him to). But that's virtually it.

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    Who are the guys with the best List A stats out of interest? Rather than all these test/FC specialist dudes you could try them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Who are the guys with the best List A stats out of interest? Rather than all these test/FC specialist dudes you could try them?
    Season stats or career?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcussjd9 View Post
    Season stats or career?
    Career.

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    There aren't very many. Batting in one-day (be it 65, 60, 55, 50, 45 or 40 overs) has never been a strong-point for England cricketers, and there's more of a dearth now than ever.

    The two best at the current time were both raised in South Africa: Pietersen and Trott. Though it should be stressed that both were ignored over there and have only begun to produce since coming to England to play.

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