Richard
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The third-innings just a week ago. Or have you already put it from your mind?What 4th innings at Sabina?
The third-innings just a week ago. Or have you already put it from your mind?What 4th innings at Sabina?
Was just being a smart-arse & pedant; there were only three innings at Sabina Park, hence our innings defeatThe third-innings just a week ago. Or have you already put it from your mind?What 4th innings at Sabina?
There were very, very, very few games when we played no spinner in the 1990's IIRC.I believe (without looking) that that isnt true for England 1990s either.
Actually, we played with 4 (or more) seamers many times in the 90s.There were very, very, very few games when we played no spinner in the 1990's IIRC.
Possibly as often in the 2000 WI series as in the whole 10 years beforehand combined.
I'm sure we had this discussion not so long ago. Maybe I'm exaggerating to say you could count the occasions on the fingers of one hand, but not by much iirc. Maybe we can check it if things get quiet this afternoon.Actually, we played with 4 (or more) seamers many times in the 90s.
I wouldnt say it was common, but it was not rare.
Cricinfo Statsguru - England - Test matches - Team analysisI'm sure we had this discussion not so long ago. Maybe I'm exaggerating to say you could count the occasions on the fingers of one hand, but not by much iirc. Maybe we can check it if things get quiet this afternoon.
Good effort mate - I'll have a look at them.Cricinfo Statsguru - England - Test matches - Team analysis
This is from excluding a whole host of spinners. Ive not had chance to check all the scorecards but I bet almost all 19 are all seam.
Excluding RDB Croft (Eng) or AF Giles (Eng) or EE Hemmings (Eng) or RK Illingworth (Eng) or MM Patel (Eng) or IDK Salisbury (Eng) or PM Such (Eng) or PCR Tufnell (Eng) or M Watkinson (Eng)
I thought that as well, so I looked. Seems Kev meant four seamers rather than no spinner judging by the above post, but there were 20 games between 1990 and 1999/2000 when England picked no specialist spinner:There were very, very, very few games when we played no spinner in the 1990's IIRC.
Possibly as often in the 2000 WI series as in the whole 10 years beforehand combined.
Fair comment.Don't forget the 1 where victory was patently denied by last-minute rain: Queen's Park Oval 1990.
TBH, the game took place in 2000 so its pretty hard to include it in 1990s.I've got 20 to Kev's 19, as I included to the end of the 1999/2000 series in SA. The game in question, incidentally, was the infamous Cronje Centurion Test - officially, England won, but clearly this was a one-innings game, fix or no fix.
Regardless of the season or place in the series, a Test which started on 2nd January 2000 did not take place in the 1990s.I tend to include the 1999/2000 season as "1990s" TBH - I make the cricketing distinction on September, not January. "The 1990s" for the England Test team = 24th February 1990 to 18th January 2000. "The 2000s" start in the home 2000 season. I can't see how it makes too much sense to make a distinction between 26th December 1999 and 2nd January 2000 when 2 Tests were played in the same series in them. Obviously, to go on the absolute calendar would be fair enough in some ways.
Funnily enough, England played an all-seam attack in each of these bookend games I mention.
flat ARG track, tbh..How do you explain such a turn in events?
How is it possible to play so awful in one match (and we're not just talking about one or two players here - it was most of the team) and then play so well in the next?
It's looking like a repeat of 1984 when the England team went on to win the next test by over 200 runs so it's not just a one off and I'm sure other countries have their own examples they could quote . . .
So, in your opinions, how do you think it is possible? How do you account for it all?! What is it that makes such a difference?
India got bowled out for 76 recently, AT HOME.. And we are supposed to be the friggin best batting line up in the world..Pretty much. It's all great cricket when it happens, but there's a tendency to overreact. An awkward wicket and some top-quality bowling, collapses happen. They happen to every team.