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    Australian team(s) from 1989 to 2006?

    Might be one of the least interesting of the lot, but an absolute must to go with Eng, WI and SA. Have to go back a bit further than for the others, as the period fits so neatly with the dominance of the team.

    Given the fact that the presence (or otherwise) of 1 player would be likely to derail such a thread substantially, and the fact that there's such a surfeit of quality, I reckon the best bet would be to pick two teams: 1989-2001 and 2001/02-2006/07. If players played lots in both periods they are, of course, available for both.

    So:
    1989-2001:
    MA Taylor (c)
    MJ Slater
    DC Boon
    AR Border
    ME Waugh
    SR Waugh
    IA Healy (w)
    SK Warne
    CJ McDermott
    MG Hughes
    GD McGrath
    Squad members: TM Alderman, PR Reiffel, JL Langer, MTG Elliott, PA Emery.
    2001/02-2006/07:
    JL Langer
    ML Hayden
    RT Ponting (c)
    MEK Hussey
    DS Lehmann
    DR Martyn
    AC Gilchrist (w)
    SK Warne
    JN Gillespie
    SR Clark
    GD McGrath
    Squad members: BJ Haddin, SCG MacGill, BJ Hodge, MS Kasprowicz, PA Jaques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Might be one of the least interesting of the lot, but an absolute must to go with Eng, WI and SA. Have to go back a bit further than for the others, as the period fits so neatly with the dominance of the team.

    Given the fact that the presence (or otherwise) of 1 player would be likely to derail such a thread substantially, and the fact that there's such a surfeit of quality, I reckon the best bet would be to pick two teams: 1989-2001 and 2001/02-2006/07. If players played lots in both periods they are, of course, available for both.

    So:
    1989-2001:
    MA Taylor (c)
    MJ Slater
    DC Boon
    AR Border
    ME Waugh
    SR Waugh
    IA Healy (w)
    SK Warne
    CJ McDermott
    MG Hughes
    GD McGrath
    Squad members: TM Alderman, PR Reiffel, JL Langer, MTG Elliott, PA Emery.
    2001/02-2006/07:
    JL Langer
    ML Hayden
    RT Ponting (c)
    MEK Hussey
    DS Lehmann
    DR Martyn
    AC Gilchrist (w)
    SK Warne
    JN Gillespie
    SR Clark
    GD McGrath
    Squad members: BJ Haddin, SCG MacGill, BJ Hodge, MS Kasprowicz, PA Jaques.

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    It's a little easy that way though, isn't it? The teams go close to picking themselves. I'll just pick one for the whole period.

    Taylor (c)
    Hayden
    Ponting
    Hussey
    S. Waugh
    Border
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Gillespie
    Clark
    McGrath

    Second opening spot was a tricky one. Taylor has a strong case but his batting went downhill pretty badly when he was captain, which sort of negates the benefit of picking him as a captain in the first place. Still has a slightly stronger case than Slater and Langer though, IMO.

    Hussey at 4 was a tough one too. He hasn't played as much cricket as some guys so I can see the argument against it. Also considered Martyn, Waugh and Boon.

    And the third seamer was a tough one too. Like with Hussey, Clark hasn't finished his career so it's a bit hard to judge, but I do think he's better than Lee, McDermott and Hughes, who were the other candidates.
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    That team you gave would give many all time sides a run for their money.
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    No way in hell you could take Clark over Lee (despite the average) IMO.

    2001-onwards (From when I first started watching cricket...)
    1. Langer
    2. Hayden
    3. Ponting
    4. Mark Waugh
    5. Steve Waugh
    6. Martyn
    7. Gilchrist
    8. Warne
    9. Lee
    10. Gillespie
    11. McGrath

    Hussey, Clarke and MacGill (despite not liking him...) unlucky to miss out.

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    1. Taylor (c)
    2. Hayden
    3. Ponting
    4. Martyn
    5. S. Waugh
    6. Border
    7. Gilchrist
    8. Warne
    9. Gillespie
    10. McDermott
    11. McGrath

    Almost put Langer in at 4 just because no-one else really has a 100% case for it.
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    Since 1989 my team would be.

    1 M Hayden
    2 M Taylor
    3 R Ponting
    4 M Hussey
    5 S Waugh
    6 A Border
    7 A Gilchrist
    8 S Warne
    9 J Gillespie
    10 C McDermott
    11 G McGrath

    I think that the hardest choice was picking the opener partner for Hayden. Langer and Slater were both in with a chance, but I went for Taylor who was good at seeing off the new ball and when he was hot, he never looked like getting out and terrific slip fielder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes View Post
    1. Taylor (c)
    2. Hayden
    3. Ponting
    4. Martyn
    5. S. Waugh
    6. Border
    7. Gilchrist
    8. Warne
    9. Gillespie
    10. McDermott
    11. McGrath

    Almost put Langer in at 4 just because no-one else really has a 100% case for it.
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    Reckon mine would be:

    MA Taylor (c)
    ML Hayden
    RT Ponting
    ME Waugh
    AR Border
    SR Waugh
    AC Gilchrist
    SK Warne
    JN Gillespie
    CJ McDermott
    GD McGrath

    If you put Hussey in for Junior I'd have no problem, and Marto could count himself unlucky too. Billy just edges out Lee and Merv, while if Clark can come back strongly and continue to perform at the level he has been then he's in with a real shout. In English conditions Alderman would have to come in for either McDermott or Gillespie.
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    hayden
    langer
    ponting
    waugh
    waugh
    border
    gilchrist
    warne
    fleming
    gellispie
    mcgrath

    wow, what a team. potentially the best batting line-up EVER. actually, scratch that, can't think of a better one.

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    1.MJ Slater
    2.ML Hayden
    3.RT Ponting
    4.ME Waugh
    5.SR Waugh*
    6.AR Border
    7.AC Gilchrist+
    8.SK Warne
    9.JN Gillespie
    10.D Fleming
    11.GD McGrath

    They all picked themselves really besides numbers 4 and 10. I went for ME Waugh narrowly over Hussey, Martyn and Lehmann, on the basis of his longevity and catching.
    While for the third seamer position Damien Fleming pips Clark, McDermott and I suppose Brett Lee, as being a genuine swing bowler he nicely complements the other two and lends a bit of variety to the attack.

    The squad would also include McDermott, MacGill and Hussey.

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    Question for everyone who's replied so far:

    Is Border from 1989 onwards really better than Damien Martyn or Michael Hussey in the nominated period? In that period he scored 4 centuries in 56 matches, as opposed to 23 in the preceding 100 matches, and averaged 47. Not saying he was bad, he scored a lot of 50s in that time, but there's a case for including either Martyn or Hussey over him, for this period specifically.

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    I would still rest easier with Border's name at 6 than either of Hussey or Martyn.

    And I know the decline in bowling standards, flatter pitches etc etc argument has been done to death, however it's very relavent here. I think either of Hussey or Martyn would've been very happy to average 47 from 1989 to 1994.

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    I'd take:
    Hayden
    Langer
    Ponting
    Martyn
    S. Waugh*
    Border
    Gilchrist+
    Warne
    Gillespie
    McDermott
    McGrath

    Taylor misses out by the proverbial, as does Hussey. Fleming, and Hughes also in the squad of 16.

    EDITED: iamdavid makes a fair point. Hussey is at a bit of a cross roads - if his returns continue their recent slump, we'll have to conclude the last couple of years represent a peak that while remarkable, is no more impressive than the peaks of many other players. If on the other hand he continues in the way he has for most of the past couple of years, he'd be in ahead of Martyn or Border.
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    If the game was being played in England, Terry Alderman would have to play. What a magnificent bowler he was. I can't remember ever seeing a bowler better suited to English conditions. If he hadn't got injured in 1982/3 he would be recognised as an all-time great. McGrath and Warne obviously get in alongside him, and Gillespie would get the 4th bowler slot for me.

    So:

    Taylor (c)
    Hayden
    Ponting
    M Waugh
    Hussey
    S Waugh
    Gilchrist (w)
    Warne
    Gillespie
    Alderman
    McGrath

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