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    Atherton for me. Fleming by far the best player of spin of the three, though.

    edit: For all the talk of how mediocre they were (and I generally agree), it IS an interesting question. I definitely think Atherton though.
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    Certainly clearly the best, but both Atherton and Hussain were excellent against spin too, so not sure about "by far".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Certainly clearly the best, but both Atherton and Hussain were excellent against spin too, so not sure about "by far".
    Atherton was at most a decent player of spin IMO. Hussein was quite good, Fleming was truly excellent, probably in the top 5 players of spin bowling in the world for a while. I think it's fairly clear cut in that sense, though I don't think any of them were poor players of spin. All of them had a lot more problems against quality pace bowling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    Atherton was at most a decent player of spin IMO.
    How much of him batting against consistent spin threat did you actually watch, on a ball-by-ball or very-extended-highlights basis out of interest?

    I'm guessing it couldn't have been much more than the Pakistan tour of 2000/01, if that, because that's pretty much all I saw. And please don't tell me you based anything on The Ashes 2001, which I presume you did watch extensively. Because Atherton that series (and the preceding two) was not the Atherton which he had been for most of his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    How much of him batting against consistent spin threat did you actually watch, on a ball-by-ball or very-extended-highlights basis out of interest?

    I'm guessing it couldn't have been much more than the Pakistan tour of 2000/01, if that, because that's pretty much all I saw. And please don't tell me you based anything on The Ashes 2001, which I presume you did watch extensively. Because Atherton that series (and the preceding two) was not the Atherton which he had been for most of his career.
    Off the top of my head, I'd say I mainly saw Atherton play against Australia. There's a few other matches or series here and there I do recall watching, generally in the form of highlights, but mainly Australia in terms of live cricket. Does that answer your question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaZoH0lic View Post
    They're all certainly better than Hayden, we know that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    Off the top of my head, I'd say I mainly saw Atherton play against Australia. There's a few other matches or series here and there I do recall watching, generally in the form of highlights, but mainly Australia in terms of live cricket. Does that answer your question?
    Pretty much. Personally, though, I never saw Atherton unduly troubled by spin-bowling which I did not think would trouble most or all right-handed batsmen. This makes him a bit better than decent-at-best, to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Pretty much. Personally, though, I never saw Atherton unduly troubled by spin-bowling which I did not think would trouble most or all right-handed batsmen. This makes him a bit better than decent-at-best, to me.
    I always thought Warne had the better of him fairly well, while Hussein played Warne better than most, and probably better than any other English player, and I really don't rate Hussein at all as a batsman so that's saying a fair bit. Fleming played Warne as well as anyone other than Tendulkar. I think it's a fairly clear cut call.

    Atherton, while not spectacular by any stretch of the imagination, was comfortably the best of the three against pace bowling, as long as your name wasn't McGrath.

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    Interestingly, after Atherton's first 13 Tests against Warne-inclusive Australia (only the last 3 of which included a Test-class McGrath) he averaged 42.33. Only later on (when McGrath dismissed him 11 times out of 18 innings) did he struggle against Australia, and Warne got him just 4 times.

    I never thought Warne caused him any more problems than he caused most batsmen, and being such a good bowler Warne tended to trouble all but the very best. Yes, Fleming played him better still, but I don't think there's really all that much in it.

    BTW, is it really much to ask - and this applies to many others besides yourself - that you spell Nasser Hussain's name correctly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    BTW, is it really much to ask - and this applies to many others besides yourself - that you spell Nasser Hussain's name correctly?
    Haha, right. My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    You reckon Atherton overachieved Anil?
    yeah that's what i think...he was clearly better than hussain of course but he is someone i would rate as a fighter and an overachiever...

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    Why do people need to be so mean? Fleming isn't mediocre.
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