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Thread: Ambrose v McGrath

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    Ambrose v McGrath

    Another of these silly 'vs' threads, because I'm bored...doubt this one hasnt been done before but oh well...

    Who was all things considered the better bowler between Curtley Ambrose and Glenn McGrath ?
    Statistically the two best seamers of the 90's/2000's.

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    Ambrose for me; had the metronomic accuracy but was a little brisker, certainly is his younger years.
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    Ambrose. So much in common: the height; the just-back-of-length stock length; the ability to hit the seam ball after ball; the (most obviously) crazy precision in line; the stock-ball being the off-cutter; the impossibly good legcutter that meant virtually neither ever needed to swing the ball; the occasional demonstration of outswing on the rare occasion they pitched it up; the fact that they showed, as they cut down their speed later in their careers, that 90mph is not a prerequistite for a very-top-of-the-tree bowler; the fact that both pretty well got better with age; even the dodgy start (McGrath after 8 Tests averaged 43.68; Ambrose after 5 averaged 40 and after getting it down to 23.20 after 11 saw it rise again to 27.35 after 17). One big difference, of course, was Ambrose's virtually never saying a word while McGrath rarely stopped doing.

    But McGrath's "fallow" period between 23rd August 2001 and 21st November 2004 always made me rate Ambrose the better. During this time, let's not forget, McGrath only ever got wickets on non-seaming pitches (the vast majority) through poor strokes.
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    Ambrose .Faster ,more menacing and more variety.


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    I think this poll throws cold water on the idea that people vote based on colour
    You know it makes sense.

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    Whose idea was that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    I think this poll throws cold water on the idea that people vote based on colour
    you really cannot generalize either way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Whose idea was that?
    It was mentioned in the Khan V Miller thread for one, although the word colour may not have been used as such

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil View Post
    you really cannot generalize either way...
    I agree 100%, I thought the suggestion insulting tbh

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    McGrath, purely because most of Ambrose's career was before my time, itbt.
    Or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamee999 View Post
    McGrath, purely because most of Ambrose's career was before my time, itbt.
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    Kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamee999 View Post
    McGrath, purely because most of Ambrose's career was before my time, itbt.
    I wouldn't vote for some one over some one else because of before my time criteria.

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    I think I'd have to go for McGrath these days, I just think he was slightly less fallible. There are more batsmen who I think could handle Ambrose well than McGrath. McGrath was also a better ODI bowler IMO, and adapted well to the changing nature of the ODI game as his career went on. Very close though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Ambrose. So much in common: the height; the just-back-of-length stock length; the ability to hit the seam ball after ball; the (most obviously) crazy precision in line; the stock-ball being the off-cutter; the impossibly good legcutter that meant virtually neither ever needed to swing the ball; the occasional demonstration of outswing on the rare occasion they pitched it up; the fact that they showed, as they cut down their speed later in their careers, that 90mph is not a prerequistite for a very-top-of-the-tree bowler; the fact that both pretty well got better with age; even the dodgy start (McGrath after 8 Tests averaged 43.68; Ambrose after 5 averaged 40 and after getting it down to 23.20 after 11 saw it rise again to 27.35 after 17). One big difference, of course, was Ambrose's virtually never saying a word while McGrath rarely stopped doing.

    But McGrath's "fallow" period between 23rd August 2001 and 21st November 2004 always made me rate Ambrose the better. During this time, let's not forget, McGrath only ever got wickets on non-seaming pitches (the vast majority) through poor strokes.
    i see you have brought up this crazyness again

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