archie mac
International Coach
1. Not correct
2. Miller started with a strong team, but they were tanking in the latter stages, so not much in it
3. Because of the Pakistan fans expectations?
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Imran Khan vs Keith Miller
- Thread starter BhupinderSingh
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1. Not correct
2. Miller started with a strong team, but they were tanking in the latter stages, so not much in it
3. Because of the Pakistan fans expectations?
archie mac
International Coach
Most who played under Miller rate him the best captain ever (except Bob Simpson
)His famous quote after being out on the town all night, late for the game and still changing as he came out on the ground.
It was pointed out to him that he had 12 players on the field. His response 'one of you bastards off, the rest scatter'
He then claimed 7-12 and bowled Sth Aust out for 27
Miller also lost 6 years to the Second World War, and after his war years, really treated cricket like a game, and only tried when in the mood. I would say Miller was one of the most naturally talented cricketers of all time.
Nothing against Imran was also a great player but Miller for mine
Joe Ninety
School Boy/Girl Captain
Damn, beat me to it Archie.Most who played under Miller rate him the best captain ever (except Bob Simpson
His famous quote after being out on the town all night, late for the game and still changing as he came out on the ground.
It was pointed out to him that he had 12 players on the field. His response 'one of you bastards off, the rest scatter'
He then claimed 7-12 and bowled Sth Aust out for 27
Miller also lost 6 years to the Second World War, and after his war years, really treated cricket like a game, and only tried when in the mood. I would say Miller was one of the most naturally talented cricketers of all time.
Nothing against Imran was also a great player but Miller for mine
JBH001
International Regular
Whatever. Miller >>> Imran.
Err no, the greatest all-rounder peak was IT Botham in the first 2/5 of his career.
that should get his blood boiling
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JBH001
International Regular
Dont underestimate the captaincy of Miller. He was an outstanding captain of NSW and I think it was Benaud who said that Miller was the best captain, or one of the best captains, he ever played under. Too bad he was never selected to captain Australia.
Edit/ I see AM has beaten me to it. Damn that AM, always getting in there first!
JBH001
International Regular
archie mac
International Coach
Dont underestimate the captaincy of Miller. He was an outstanding captain of NSW and I think it was Benaud who said that Miller was the best captain, or one of the best captains, he ever played under. Too bad he was never selected to captain Australia.
Edit/ I see AM has beaten me to it. Damn that AM, always getting in there first!
Doesen't matter who said it, just as long as we all agree who was the best
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Most who played under Miller rate him the best captain ever (except Bob Simpson
His famous quote after being out on the town all night, late for the game and still changing as he came out on the ground.
It was pointed out to him that he had 12 players on the field. His response 'one of you bastards off, the rest scatter'
He then claimed 7-12 and bowled Sth Aust out for 27
Miller also lost 6 years to the Second World War, and after his war years, really treated cricket like a game, and only tried when in the mood. I would say Miller was one of the most naturally talented cricketers of all time.
Nothing against Imran was also a great player but Miller for mine
Dont underestimate the captaincy of Miller. He was an outstanding captain of NSW and I think it was Benaud who said that Miller was the best captain, or one of the best captains, he ever played under. Too bad he was never selected to captain Australia.
Edit/ I see AM has beaten me to it. Damn that AM, always getting in there first!
Not at all guys, I know well of Miller's exploits too. However, one thing I find little of in Pakistan's test history is a great captain that was able to put the side right. You look at what happened to Wasim and you think Imran must have been a huge character to do what he did for that side.
But as Sanz also said, sometimes captaincy is not so much of a burden - some players thrive off that responsibility, and I think Imran was one of them.
"Scatter" always get a laugh out of me.
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Athlai
Not Terrible
No need to attack his character mate, sure he has potential bias, but EVERYONE does. Is it a coincidence people from the sub continent tend to favour the sub continent players more in these type of arguments, of course not and vice versa.
The biggest hole in this argument is the cross generation gap, and I am of the opinion you can never truely compare two players across generations. Regardless of what even the highest experts say, because they two have bias. Former players usually regard someone from their generation as the finest in a particular art, and there's nothing wrong with that, there is enough people for all the bias to fade into the background.
Who's to say that if Miller played in the same time he would have been significantly less successful? The players had changed and cricket itself changed (with the emergance of ODI's and so on), while Khan may have failed in Miller's age for whatever reason. We will never know.
I've never been fond of these cross generation comparisons, they were both some of the finest players of their time, surely it can't be left at that.
But the next insult I see thrown around over something like this I'm reporting eh?
pasag
RTDAS
Was thinking about this the other day, don't think there is a clear cut answer really other then they were both magnificent.
Abit OT but I was also thinking of the definition of these two below and the difference between them and I don't think I've seen it discussed here before so I was wondering what people thought.
Player (ie who is the better player): Includes batting, bowling, fielding, captaincy, wicket-keeping
All-Rounder (ie who is the better all-rounder): Includes just batting and bowling
Thoughts?
Abit OT but I was also thinking of the definition of these two below and the difference between them and I don't think I've seen it discussed here before so I was wondering what people thought.
Player (ie who is the better player): Includes batting, bowling, fielding, captaincy, wicket-keeping
All-Rounder (ie who is the better all-rounder): Includes just batting and bowling
Thoughts?
Athlai
Not Terrible
Sounds pretty darn good to me TBH. Two very different things.
anoop4real
U19 12th Man
I feel Imran is the best.....
Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Love that quote.
Reason # 4 Imran > Miller
He had to bat lower in the order far more often ( Miller never batted lower than #7, Imran did 35 times)
If we compare performances by batting position :
#5 position, Imran averages 54.67 / Miller 41.98
#6 position, Imran averages 61.87 / Miller 14.68
#7 position, Imran averages 34.81 / Miller 33.50
Cumulatively, all positions upto #7, Imran scored 2968 @ 41.80, Miller 2958 @ 36.98
He had to bat lower in the order far more often ( Miller never batted lower than #7, Imran did 35 times)
If we compare performances by batting position :
#5 position, Imran averages 54.67 / Miller 41.98
#6 position, Imran averages 61.87 / Miller 14.68
#7 position, Imran averages 34.81 / Miller 33.50
Cumulatively, all positions upto #7, Imran scored 2968 @ 41.80, Miller 2958 @ 36.98
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Imran may well be better than Miller, but so far your four reasons have been middling at best. Particularly no.1 (Miller played against some very strong opposition) and 4 (it's quite a vague argument, that Imran is a better cricketer due to the fact that his captains - including himself - placed him lower in the batting order more often than Miller's did...)
No.2 is a judgement call based on when in their careers you are assessing them, and you've probably got a point with no.3.
No.2 is a judgement call based on when in their careers you are assessing them, and you've probably got a point with no.3.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
So therefore KaZo should be ignored because he has Miller as his avatar? And Sean because he has in the past?
Has it occurred to you that the reason BhupinderSingh has Imran as his avatar is because he likes him, rather than the other way around?
One of the most ridiculous sort of posts, the like of the above.